Shoop discusses 'most ready' freshman DL, other newcomers

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I think 2017 is the year for Shoop to put up or shut up.
Tired of all the coach speak.
2017 is the year for action.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm not 100% sold on him either, but last year he tried to keep Jancek's terminology, and translate it into his own system so the veterans wouldn't struggle with communication. It's safe to say that turned out to be a poor choice, and probably played into some of the defensive staff changes that occurred at the end of 2016.
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Look what he did everywhere else though... I still buy into what he is saying and will for the next couple of years to come. If we still stink then maybe not so much.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Not sure. I wonder if it was pushed for by Stripling, and that played into Hoke coming on board. Regardless of who came up with the idea, it was definitely a bad one.
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Just a reminder Hoke if you'll recall was hanging around before the start of last season, His coming aboard and Stripling in his new role must have been in the cards for awhile.
 
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ice said:
I think 2017 is the year for Shoop to put up or shut up.
Tired of all the coach speak.
2017 is the year for action.
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Shoop has actually been really straightforward in almost all of his ineterviews. He's not really a coach speak guy.
 
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Remy said:
Just a reminder Hoke if you'll recall was hanging around before the start of last season, His coming aboard and Stripling in his new role must have been in the cards for awhile.
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If Hoke had gotten a DC offer from a P5 school then he wouldn't have come here to be a DLine coach.
 
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Bloodrunsorange27 said:
So you're saying it's not ok to complain about giving up 600 yds to Vandy unless you can provide your own defensive game plan?
I'll have to disagree with that. That was an embarrassment for TN football
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Oh, I quite agree with you about being disgusted about that game. In the 51 years that I have followed Tennessee football since 1966, we have lost a number of games that we should have won. With time, we get over them and move on to the next win.
 
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volpreacher said:
Especially since we played that game with a lot of 3rd stringers on defense. I too am tired of the coach bashing
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"A lot of 3rd stringers" is a bit of a stretch...

Vandy Defense​

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BeardedVol said:
"A lot of 3rd stringers" is a bit of a stretch...

Vandy Defense​

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Besides the fact that there's a know rule that losing to vandy gets a coach fired, this chart points out why vandy loss, for me, was much more frustrating than SC. I think even though played SC coming off break week, that team was physically and emotionally exhausted from the four game gauntlet, and then you throw on some of the team chemistry stuff w/ Hurd, Dobbs played his worst game, and we got a loss. The vandy loss was more on coaches than SC...imo.
 
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volpreacher said:
Especially since we played that game with a lot of 3rd stringers on defense. I too am tired of the coach bashing
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Both schools of thought have grown old. I don't think CBJ is nearly as bad as some say, but there was absolutely no excuse for losing that game.
 
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njvols said:
Besides the fact that there's a know rule that losing to vandy gets a coach fired, this chart points out why vandy loss, for me, was much more frustrating than SC. I think even though played SC coming off break week, that team was physically and emotionally exhausted from the four game gauntlet, and then you throw on some of the team chemistry stuff w/ Hurd, Dobbs played his worst game, and we got a loss. The vandy loss was more on coaches than SC...imo.
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I will always believe that was a large part of the SC loss. But that was all on Butch for allowing it to be.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
After giving up 600+ yards to Vandy..not really going to buy into anything this guy is saying yet..
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Shoop has done more to prove he belongs at this level than Jones has.

All we heard for two years after Jones arrived was "not his players"... "not recruited or developed to his system". That's doubly true of Shoop. He'd like to play most of the time with 3 LB's. I'm not sure UT had 3 SEC quality LB's total on the team last year and definitely not someone who fits his model for the "spur" position. There was not much depth at DT and poor development at CB and LB.

Looking back, I think bringing Jancek as DC was one of Jones' worst decisions.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
I am not a Shoop believer. I would love to become a convert, but my gut tells me otherwise.
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Yeah... because Shoop has never been truly successful in P-5 football while Jones has, right? Who recruited the roster Shoop had to coach last fall? The answer... is who you blame.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yeah... because Shoop has never been truly successful in P-5 football while Jones has, right? Who recruited the roster Shoop had to coach last fall? The answer... is who you blame.
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Orange Swarm. Nobody is going to run the football on us. Shoop sure felt confident heading into the season. We broke a record for yardage allowed to Missouri. Vandy hadn't scored that many points against an SEC team since 1970. UT gave up 37 plays of 30 yards or more. To say that Shoop didn't play a part in the failures of last season is irresponsible and just plain false. Don't take my word for it, he has acknowledged that he made mistakes. That being said, I look for big improvements from him, his staff, and the defensive unit this year.
 
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BeardedVol said:
"A lot of 3rd stringers" is a bit of a stretch...

Vandy Defense​

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DT is a rotational position, there are starters but the 4 listed play a lot of snaps. Week one Vickers was our smallest DT at 295 and only DT under 300 lbs. By Vandy he was our heaviest DT, smallest being 259 lbs. That is a huge difference. Those guys weren't large enough to clog the middle of the line so LBs had to play up to try and stop the run. This means safeties were responsible for the middle of the field and also helping on running plays. This puts corners on an island. This is hard for a lot of fans to understand who have never coached or played the game.
 
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08Vol said:
DT is a rotational position, there are starters but the 4 listed play a lot of snaps. Week one Vickers was our smallest DT at 295 and only DT under 300 lbs. By Vandy he was our heaviest DT, smallest being 259 lbs. That is a huge difference. Those guys weren't large enough to clog the middle of the line so LBs had to play up to try and stop the run. This means safeties were responsible for the middle of the field and also helping on running plays. This puts corners on an island. This is hard for a lot of fans to understand who have never coached or played the game.
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Someone should have let the Vandy DLine know that they weren't big enough clog the middle of the line, and maybe we'd have scored more than 3 points in the second half.:eek:hmy:

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I get what you are saying, and against some of our other opponents in 2016, it's very much true, it's just not against the Vandy offense. It was a bad case of the opposing coach making half time adjustments, and outcoaching the crap out of ours; and given the talent disparity between the two, just shouldn't have occurred.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Shoop has actually been really straightforward in almost all of his ineterviews. He's not really a coach speak guy.
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Straightforward but wrong. Remember last year when he said, "no one will run on us".
So far he has not been able to back up his words.
 
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BeardedVol said:
I'm not 100% sold on him either, but last year he tried to keep Jancek's terminology, and translate it into his own system so the veterans wouldn't struggle with communication. It's safe to say that turned out to be a poor choice, and probably played into some of the defensive staff changes that occurred at the end of 2016.
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I think it mostly had to do with the interior defensive line and linebackers being decimated with injuries. Jonathan Kongbo is just not a DL. Tuttle and McKenzie were both hurt and O'Brien got kicked off the team. Reeves-Maybin basically didn't play at all and Kirkland Jr. missed a bunch of time. A former walk-on was the most consistent presence in the LB corps.

Yes, those position groups should have been deeper, and that's a knock on Butch, but if they were healthy, or suffered even half of the injuries they did, I think they would have been a lot better. Like someone else in the thread said the extent of the injuries we had would have decimated any time with the exception of perhaps Alabama.
 
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