Shoop 2

#51
#51
Shoop is not the answer. Until I don't see Bambi on the field I believe he is the worst judge of talent ever.
 
#52
#52
It hurt my soul to watch our D get handled, it really did. My hope is that the gameplan of lining up 3 yards off the LOS, taking blocks and not trying to dig in and drive up field as a safety precaution for knee's, missing our best D lineman and 2 LB's, while playing an odd offense had something to do with that. Plus the ole "week 1 to week 2" improvement adage.

Im sure we wont be world beaters on D but while everyone else jumps now, ill sit down and play solitary till i see Tuttle in and vs more normal schemes. Martin did look terrible though. Was lost all night.

I also screamed for 3 qrts to feed J Kelly but was let down they tried to throw it all over the field instead. Our D needed a break so shouldve ran the ball a little more early imho. Shouldve let Kelly show what he can do. Finally they did and he is a beast!

We won so no sense in jumping just yet
 
#53
#53
ReelfootVol said:
It is hard to be critical of a win. However, I am much less excited about the year after seeing this game. First of all, I know one defensive back that would never see the field again if I were the coach. Actually, I would probably consider pulling a scholly. Now, it is most difficult to stop that offensive completely. After watching the game, (I considered going to bed at halftime) MY MAIN CONCERN IS LOSING GURANTANO (SP) AS QUARTERBACK. I could tell the look on his face was that of disgust. He should have been given a chance to play. Will we ever know now if he can play ?? Doubtful ! The most impressive player in the game was the receiver with the dread locks. Super ! If we do not improve drastically on defensive, the year will be long and hurtful. Our defensive line was pushed all over the field. Sad !
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I'm hoping Guarantano gets a lot of playing time against Indiana St.
 
#54
#54
Fijivol72 said:
Shoop is not the answer. Until I don't see Bambi on the field I believe he is the worst judge of talent ever.
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Shoop isn't the problem. It's the talent or lack thereof he has to work with. Let's be blunt....we have several prospects on defense that were vastly over rated by the services. Mac should be a backup OG. Jumper has all the heart in the world but he belongs at a low D1 or D2 program. I've seen Ivy League LB wth more talent. Kongbo....the second coming of Ted Hendrix....well....I watched a future engineer push him around most of the night. Some guys are players. Some guys are hype. Bama has more or the former. We lead the league in the latter. This defense is challenged in so many ways. The real players are hopefully among the younger kids on the roster. Until they're ready, we have to depend on the upper class kids and that means we are going to have some long, hard saturdays. The D line is awful and soft. We need Tuttle and a few more like him plus 4 or 5 more tough linebackers. Sadly we have to wait for another recruiting class or two. We need the offense to come around and quick...especially at QB. Also need to really, really focus on winning special teams in a very big way every Saturday.
 
#55
#55
Cartervol said:
No push up front by Hoke's DL. All i saw was guys getting blown off the ball 3 yards all night. They physically whooped our defense. Not the best team or offense we're going to play..
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It was read and react for our D. Taylor was the only one that seemed to be allowed to play in the backfield. The DL was playing off the ball and not getting up field allowing the FB dive to get 4 yards per. It also allowed GT to pull their lineman and get in front of the play for big gains on the outside. They played on their heals the whole game. Unlearn that s**t and attack.
 
#56
#56
JMSqb11 said:
If he had full control of hiring his assistants, we would have an entire different defensive staff than we do now.
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If he has no freedom why in the world would he come here? Why did his D fall apart the last season at PSU?
 
#57
#57
CAVPUT said:
Shoop isn't the problem. It's the talent or lack thereof he has to work with. Let's be blunt....we have several prospects on defense that were vastly over rated by the services. Mac should be a backup OG. Jumper has all the heart in the world but he belongs at a low D1 or D2 program. I've seen Ivy League LB wth more talent. Kongbo....the second coming of Ted Hendrix....well....I watched a future engineer push him around most of the night. Some guys are players. Some guys are hype. Bama has more or the former. We lead the league in the latter. This defense is challenged in so many ways. The real players are hopefully among the younger kids on the roster. Until they're ready, we have to depend on the upper class kids and that means we are going to have some long, hard saturdays. The D line is awful and soft. We need Tuttle and a few more like him plus 4 or 5 more tough linebackers. Sadly we have to wait for another recruiting class or two. We need the offense to come around and quick...especially at QB. Also need to really, really focus on winning special teams in a very big way every Saturday.
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Lack of talent? Over rated by the services? Most of these guys on D were 4* and highly recruited by other SEC schools. We got pushed around by Appy St., Ohio and VA Tech last year...and that's before the injuries set in. Thank goodness VA Tech fumbled FIVE times. Shoop is a big problem. These guys are not getting developed, period. The stats don't lie. EVERYONE is putting up 500 and 600 yds of offense on us. Shoop didn't even want Bituli playing last night had Kirkland been healthy. He would rather have Jumper. What does that tell you? He doesn't know what he has and doesn't have.
 
#58
#58
That D was better then the volnation experts make you think. Watch it again. Shoops D is like a fish net. The closer you get to the goal the smaller it becomes. If you want to go after HOKE it's still debatable but shoops D is a mind bender. It's calculus in action.
 
#59
#59
CAVPUT said:
Shoop isn't the problem. It's the talent or lack thereof he has to work with. Let's be blunt....we have several prospects on defense that were vastly over rated by the services. Mac should be a backup OG. Jumper has all the heart in the world but he belongs at a low D1 or D2 program. I've seen Ivy League LB wth more talent. Kongbo....the second coming of Ted Hendrix....well....I watched a future engineer push him around most of the night. Some guys are players. Some guys are hype. Bama has more or the former. We lead the league in the latter. This defense is challenged in so many ways. The real players are hopefully among the younger kids on the roster. Until they're ready, we have to depend on the upper class kids and that means we are going to have some long, hard saturdays. The D line is awful and soft. We need Tuttle and a few more like him plus 4 or 5 more tough linebackers. Sadly we have to wait for another recruiting class or two. We need the offense to come around and quick...especially at QB. Also need to really, really focus on winning special teams in a very big way every Saturday.
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Isn't the HC coach responsible for all of this?
 
#60
#60
OrangeByBirth said:
Shoops faced 2 problems:
GaTech ran 96 plays
UT ran less than 50 plays

It is another case of offense failing the defense.
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Disagree. We allowed 13 3rd down conversions. 13. The defense wouldnt have been on the field for 96 plays if they could get off the field on 3rd down.
 
#61
#61
I noticed the Dline was lining up 2 yards back from the LOS . not sure what was going on there . also did Sapp play? Jumper and Bates shouldn't see the field . McDowell bituli Sapp and ignont have to be better .
 
#62
#62
KBVol said:
His defense just gave up 650+ yards....after allowing 600+ to Vandy last year....and 700+ to Missouri last year.....and 600+ to Kentucky last year....and nearly 600 to Alabama last year....and 600 to TAM last year.

What more do we need to see?
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Quite the resume... 10 more of those performances and Butch is sure to notice.
 
#63
#63
Vol737 said:
Lack of talent? Over rated by the services? Most of these guys on D were 4* and highly recruited by other SEC schools. We got pushed around by Appy St., Ohio and VA Tech last year...and that's before the injuries set in. Thank goodness VA Tech fumbled FIVE times. Shoop is a big problem. These guys are not getting developed, period. The stats don't lie. EVERYONE is putting up 500 and 600 yds of offense on us. Shoop didn't even want Bituli playing last night had Kirkland been healthy. He would rather have Jumper. What does that tell you? He doesn't know what he has and doesn't have.
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Very well said. They keep putting Jumper out there to get embarrassed, wanted to keep Bituli on the shelf, and a host of other issues that just defy logic. Jumper doesn't belong on the field on a D1 school and he'd be hard pressed to break the depth chart at a D2 school.

I was a huge fan of the Shoop hire, but the past two seasons has seen our D degrade into what it is today. Playing against tougher competition coming up does not bode well for the season. Especially that Butch/Shoop haven't shown any propensity to actually make adjustments in the least.
 
#64
#64
turdherder11 said:
I noticed the Dline was lining up 2 yards back from the LOS . not sure what was going on there . also did Sapp play? Jumper and Bates shouldn't see the field . McDowell bituli Sapp and ignont have to be better .
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I also noticed the line lining up way off the LOS. And standing there waiting for contact. Even Johnson commented in the post game that he couldn't tell how well one of the new lineman played because UT D-line was sitting back and playing catch. Also Kongbo looked really slow.
 
#65
#65
KBVol said:
His defense just gave up 650+ yards....after allowing 600+ to Vandy last year....and 700+ to Missouri last year.....and 600+ to Kentucky last year....and nearly 600 to Alabama last year....and 600 to TAM last year.

What more do we need to see?
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Wow, that's approx 11,100 ft, or 2 miles, in 6 games.

Now, if that were our offense, it might be another matter.
 
#67
#67
Im growing tired of the excuse "he wasn't able to hire his own staff' excuse. Did Jeremy Pruitt hire his own staff at Alabama? Hell no! Does any DC hire all of his own people? I doubt it unless its a Bud Foster-type situation. And Shoop is no Bud Foster.

The head coach has to consider a lot of things when hiring staff. Recruiting ability is one of them. The defensive staff appears to be better recruiters than the previous staff. Talent evaluation is questionable thou when I see a Justin Martin out there. Shoop better worry about keeping his job than getting his cronies a job. 1 season and 1 game thus far he's proven to talk a big game and deliver very little.

Regarding Jumper. He's far from the biggest problem. Yes he gets beat outside a lot last night but linebackers who make those plays are special and Tennessee don't have a special LB right now and didn't before Kirkland was injured. JRM was one of those but that is it. The OLB, DEs and Safeties should have been around the play also and most were not there.

On the bright side, Bituli and Taylor appeared to be special players.
 
#68
#68
IluvdoubleD's said:
That D was better then the volnation experts make you think. Watch it again. Shoops D is like a fish net. The closer you get to the goal the smaller it becomes. If you want to go after HOKE it's still debatable but shoops D is a mind bender. It's calculus in action.
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Well.. we've found the problem. We have a math geek pretending to be a DC. Bob Poop's defense has gave up about 3000 yards in the last 5 games or so. Doesn't seem to be getting any better. I think he may be going for a record or something.
 
#69
#69
Coug said:
Too soon.

I'm no Shoop advocate at this point by any means but let's get a few more games under us before we hang him out to dry.
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Agree, and this offense is like no other we will face so it's hard to judge based on this game. I thought I understood football pretty good until I read up on tech and I discovered I really didn't understand it as well as I thought. It's a different animal to defend.
 
#70
#70
wmcovol said:
Im growing tired of the excuse "he wasn't able to hire his own staff' excuse. Did Jeremy Pruitt hire his own staff at Alabama? Hell no! Does any DC hire all of his own people? I doubt it unless its a Bud Foster-type situation. And Shoop is no Bud Foster.
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Then you have no reason b!tch and complain about Shoop then. Jeremy Pruitt was walking back into a program he had experience with and a defensive unit that he was a former coach at. Also, the caliber of Bama assistants are miles beyond ours. That isn't an argument you should be making.

Also since Shoop didn't get to bring one person with him at all, he was basically teaching coaches and players at the same time. Sounds like a great idea. And since we changed coaches this offseason, that is more new faces in coaching and players he has to teach.... By your logic, Butch shouldn't brought any of his assistants with him from Cincy.
 
#71
#71
Skullbone said:
It was terrible. Darrel Taylor was the only bright spot.
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Not true. Bituli had a great game. Nigel Warrior did very well too along with Gaulden.

Right now the biggest disappointment is McKenzie. I really thought he would be a dominant player this year. Maybe he still will but he look BAD last night.
 
#72
#72
Skullbone said:
It was terrible. Darrel Taylor was the only bright spot.
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Bituli too and Warrior in spurts. We have some elite athletes with great potential on defense. But we're weak at DT and CB and Shoop's schemes/philosophies sure don't look like they produce a remotely competent defense.
 
#73
#73
wmcovol said:
im growing tired of the excuse "he wasn't able to hire his own staff' excuse. Did jeremy pruitt hire his own staff at alabama? Hell no! Does any dc hire all of his own people? I doubt it unless its a bud foster-type situation. And shoop is no bud foster.

The head coach has to consider a lot of things when hiring staff. Recruiting ability is one of them. The defensive staff appears to be better recruiters than the previous staff. Talent evaluation is questionable thou when i see a justin martin out there. Shoop better worry about keeping his job than getting his cronies a job. 1 season and 1 game thus far he's proven to talk a big game and deliver very little.

Regarding jumper. He's far from the biggest problem. Yes he gets beat outside a lot last night but linebackers who make those plays are special and tennessee don't have a special lb right now and didn't before kirkland was injured. Jrm was one of those but that is it. The olb, des and safeties should have been around the play also and most were not there.

On the bright side, bituli and taylor appeared to be special players.
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💯
 
#74
#74
KBVol said:
His defense just gave up 650+ yards....after allowing 600+ to Vandy last year....and 700+ to Missouri last year.....and 600+ to Kentucky last year....and nearly 600 to Alabama last year....and 600 to TAM last year.

What more do we need to see?
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I want to see them against a more conventional O.

I'd love to see him coach with an actual MLB... but we may not get that chance.
 
#75
#75
The Vols will be lucky to win SEC games if both the offense and defense don't improve drastically...
Bob Shoop has been a disappointment to say the least, I'm not impressed, are you?
 
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