Serious question: is hostessgate an issue anymore?

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utgibbs said:
Is that the Spurrier who coaches at USCe?

How many titles they have in their trophy cabinet?
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Seems like they've won the same number in Spurrier's five years as they did in the one hundred years prior to him.
 
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utgibbs said:
I've never acknowledged his existence. But he makes some great points with data.

If "acknowledging" means "replying to your posts" he's done that with several of mine.

However, I'm certainly not looking for vindication or acknowledgment. My posts are among the most read and replied to on VN. That may change tomorrow. :dunno:

I can confess openly, I only need acknowledgment and vindication from you, KPT. :p
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You mention his data and congratulate him on it in quite a few of his threads. I don't think he's ever quoted you. Show me an example if I'm mistaken.

As to the portion in bold, you should have seen how many replies some of the trolls before you got. That guy that lied about being a former football player probably tops the list.
 
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kptvol said:
Seems like they've won the same number in Spurrier's five years as they did in the one hundred years prior to him.
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"Only coaching matters."

--- Volnation's Gang of Five.

Please reconcile with the real world outside the back door, especially regarding Steve Spurrier.
 
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utgibbs said:
"Only coaching matters."

--- Volnation's Gang of Five.

Please reconcile with the real world outside the back door, especially regarding Steve Spurrier.
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Aside from you constantly changing the definition of the Gang of Five to include some 30,000 people, that quote does not exist. What's funny is that you constantly said we should "cast our eyes west to Columbia" (yeah, I actually quote stuff that was really said) the same year Spurrier won the East, which you've held up as the equivalent of the Lombardi trophy when discussing Phil Fulmer's accomplishments. Now, of course, winning the division for the first time ever is no big deal.
 
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utgibbs said:
"Only coaching matters."

--- Volnation's Gang of Five.

Please reconcile with the real world outside the back door, especially regarding Steve Spurrier.
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1) Facing better coaches than he did in the 90's (same as Fulmer)
2) His innovative offense was not so innovative any more.
3) He was still able to go 2-2 against Fulmer
 
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VolDad said:
1) Facing better coaches than he did in the 90's (same as Fulmer)
2) His innovative offense was not so innovative any more.
3) He was still able to go 2-2 against Fulmer
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Or, 1. doesn't have access to same talent pool as he had at Florida.

:hi:

Who are the better coaches, btw?
 
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kptvol said:
Aside from you constantly changing the definition of the Gang of Five to include some 30,000 people, that quote does not exist. What's funny is that you constantly said we should "cast our eyes west to Columbia" (yeah, I actually quote stuff that was really said) the same year Spurrier won the East, which you've held up as the equivalent of the Lombardi trophy when discussing Phil Fulmer's accomplishments. Now, of course, winning the division for the first time ever is no big deal.
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Again, you substitute YOUR logic for mine.

I have always maintained Spurrier is a great coach. Admittedly, it was the weakest SECE ever, but I know it was exciting for all Gamecock fans to go to the game - at least for a little while. I've never once dispariaged the accomplishment.

But YOU have. Titles. Where are Spurrier's titles at USC? You have said there is no recruiting disadvantage; you have maintained the coach is everything. Where are the titles?

I have always maintained the natural recruiting advantage has a huge impact.

The contradictions are wide and oh so consistent.
 
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utgibbs said:
Or, 1. doesn't have access to same talent pool as he had at Florida.

:hi:

Who are the better coaches, btw?
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For starters:
Richt better than Goff/Donnan
Saban better than Stallings/Dubose
Meyer better than Woods/Scott
Tubberville better than Dye/ Bowden
 
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It was never an issue in the first place. We have been doing it for years. But since kiffin laughed in the face of the ncaa the aa decided they should attack him and an otherwise clean program.
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VolDad said:
Your six sigma enthusiast would laugh at how you try to twist things.

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I asked which coaches were better than Spurrier. I think you digressed, but dodging the question that undermines your past arguments is meat and drink for the GoF.

So, which of those coaches is better than Spurrier?
 
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10essee Refugee said:
They're better than the ones he faced in the 90's

Edit: Petrino as well.
And with Spurrier going to USC, he essentially traded playing Holtz/Scott for Meyer.
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SO!

That's like saying someone who is five foot ten is taller than someone who is five foot nine. If Spurrier is six foot, what does it matter?

Which coaches are better than Spurrier? That's the only question that matters.

I won't be holding my breath for obvious reasons.
 
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utgibbs said:
SO!

That's like saying someone who is five foot ten is taller than someone who is five foot nine.

Which coaches are better than Spurrier? That's the only question that matters.

I won't be holding my breath for obvious reasons.
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no it isn't. When you keep ponying up his accomplishments and bandying about how awesome the record is, the collection of crap that made up the 90s SEC is appalling. The very few good coaches in the conference have forever pounded Fulmer regardless of talent levels. Spurrier simply stomped his ass into oblivion.
 
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utgibbs said:
I asked which coaches were better than Spurrier. I think you digressed, but dodging the question that undermines your past arguments is meat and drink for the GoF.

So, which of those coaches is better than Spurrier?
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No you implied I said - better coaches than Spurrier - when I said he is facing better coaches while at USC than he did at UF.
 
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utgibbs said:
SO!

That's like saying someone who is five foot ten is taller than someone who is five foot nine.

Which coaches are better than Spurrier? That's the only question that matters.

I won't be holding my breath for obvious reasons.
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What are you talking about. Someone said ONE reason Spurrier isn't sitting on top of the conference annually is because there are better coaches in the SEC than there were in the 90's. Hence, stiffer competition. You asked who the better coaches were, and you were told.
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VolDad said:
No you implied I said - better coaches than Spurrier - when I said he is facing better coaches while at USC than he did at UF.
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1. only coaching matters
2. there is no "300 mile recruiting" radius

I know you will quibble, so please give us your exact thoughts on these two statements. It would be great for you to go back to old quotes of yours from VN for support.

Not holding breath. :hi:

Delicious contradictions forthcoming.
 
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10essee Refugee said:
What are you talking about. Someone said ONE reason Spurrier isn't sitting on top of the conference annually is because there are better coaches in the SEC than there were in the 90's. Hence, stiffer competition. You asked who the better coaches were, and you were told.
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I'm trying to reconcile these statements with the oft repeated:

1. Only coaching matters.
2. There is no 300 mile recruiting radius.

These two assumptions have been maintained ad infinitum by the GoF, and especially DVD.

So, please reconcile.
 
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utgibbs said:
I'm trying to reconcile these statements with the oft repeated:

1. Only coaching matters.
2. There is no 300 mile recruiting radius.

These two assumptions have been maintained ad infinitum by the GoF, and especially DVD.

So, please reconcile.
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1. who said only coaching matters? Is there any context, like taking over a historically shoddy program and having to build it up? At steady state, the coaching is responsible for all of it. When falling off a mountain top, the coaching freaking blows.

2. The recruiting radius shiz says Nebraska should have no titles - ever.
 
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