SEC vs Big 10

#101
#101
HoosierVol4 said:
I live in Big Ten country and graduated from IU. All my friends are Big Ten believers in every sport. More than anything basketball.

The problem with football is that there can't be a Big Ten/SEC Challenge like the Big Ten/ACC Challenge in basketball that basically makes all the Big Ten gurus go mum for a week.

Here's the thing with Big Ten fans is the fact that they hang their hat on 2-3 teams at the top and argue that they make the conference the best. If you go down the line in the conferences the SEC is head and shoulders above the Big Ten which has already been said.

If you put 1-11 from each conference up against each other I have a hard time believing that the Big Ten wins 6 of those games on any given year.
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#102
#102
milohimself said:
In my estimation, Ohio State and Michigan would both beat every team in the SEC... But the SEC is still a better conference.
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In my estimation neither would have finished with less than one loss with UF's schedule or less than 2 with LSU's schedule.

They are very good teams that have played very weak competition this year.

I love the SEC but will admit that the Big10 is often the better conference... not this year by a long shot. They aren't even number two and the margin between them and the Pac10 is fairly significant.
 
#103
#103
therealUT said:
Can people here wrap their heads around the notion that the SEC just might not be the strongest conference. Everyone cites the fact that SEC teams beat up on each other as evidence. However, how does the SEC play against quality non conference opponents?
  • Arkansas lost by 36 to the PAC-10 champ.
  • Alabama's best non conference opponent was Hawaii...Bama won by 8.
  • Auburn faced Wazzou, Buffalo, and Tulane. Congrats on those three wins, Tommy.
  • Florida beat the worst Florida State team of the past 20 years...by a single touchdown. That was the best non conference opponent Florida faced.
  • UGA needed a miracle to beat a 2-10 Colorado team, the best OOC team they faced.
  • UK lost by 31 to Louisville.
  • LSU beat Arizona by 42. Congrats LSU!
  • Ole Miss played the ACC Champ. They did keep it within 25.
  • Miss. St. got blown off the field against WVU. 42-14.
  • South Carolina probably did the best to represent SEC toughness. The SECE's 5th best team beat the ACCA's 4th best team.
  • Of course we all know about Tennessee's game against Cal.
  • Finally, Vandy lost to Michigan by 20. Apparently some on this board believe there is such a thing as a "close 20." Of course, these same believers will most likely not call our win over UGA a "close 18."
If the SEC wants to be known as the toughest conference, then they should schedule conference powerhouses and play them. The top two teams in the SEC this year, Florida and Arkansas, beat absolutely not one noteworthy non conference opponent. The top two teams in the Big Ten beat Texas and Notre Dame, respectively.
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Your only going to have 1 decent out of conference game from each team each season. And if a team like Florida State is down, nobody has control of that.

I would give these SEC teams props for scheduling out-of-conference teams that have been in the top 25 currently or in recent years.

Tennessee vs California, Memphis
Georgia vs Georgia Tech, Colorado
Florida vs Florida State, Southern Miss
Kentucky vs Louisville
South Carolina vs Clemson
Vanderbilt vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Southern Cal
Auburn vs Washington State
LSU vs Arizona
Alabama vs Hawaii
Ole Miss vs Missouri, Wake Forest
Miss State vs West Virginia

California, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville, Michigan, Clemson, Southern Cal, Washington State, Hawaii, Missouri, Wake Forest, WVU were all ranked this season.

Memphis and Colorado were ranked in 2005, and Southern Miss in 2004. Arizona is currently ranked as high as 22nd in one BCS computer ranking after back-to-back wins over California and Oregon.

Forget winning margins.... that has been taken out of the BCS.... Florida has played 10 bowl teams this season. Michigan and Ohio State have each played only 7.
 
#104
#104
milohimself said:
Michigan has a quality front seven, allowing a nation-leading 43 yards per game on the ground. That's about as good as it gets, and in a conference with traditionally good running games. .
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"Traditionally" I'd say they and the SEC are 1-2 and very close in top to bottom strength... but not this year. NW is a shadow of its rushing self. Minn is worse. MSU didn't run even as well as in the past... or Iowa... or Purdue... or PSU...

That whole conference is off this year and in particular because they aren't the power teams they typically are.

UM's 43 ypg is about as sturdy as UGA's defensive stats before the UT game.
 
#105
#105
FLG8tor said:
We had a large lead and Vandy made some scores late. Your reaching on your argument because your a Gator hater.

UM struggled with Vandy, and that's a majority viewpoint if you go around the college boards. If you don't want to accept that Michigan had any struggles, how about the home game against Ball frickin State?!?!? They were in danger of losing that game!

I'm tired of the meaningless argument on how good Michigan is because they only lost to OSU by 3. I guess that means Zook's Illini are the next best team behind UM because they only lost to the Poisonous Nuts by 7???

Michigan would NOT be undefeated had they been in the SEC this year. The SEC has more consistency and parody when it comes to conference competition.
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Not so much a Florida hater as a closet Big Ten fanboy.
 
#106
#106
jakez4ut said:
so let's get to brass tacs...rank the conferences in your opinion. cause it will be interesting to see who you think is better than the SEC. And it will also be interesting to see what happens this bowl sesaon.

several key matchups that will be worht noting:
ND/LSU
TN/PSU
FL/OSU
ARK/Wisc
Aub/Neb

all fairly comparable teams...record wise. Right now, i think the SEC wins 4 of those games.
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I will definitely be waiting for the outcome of the Bowl Games, as those are key non conference games used to determine conference superiority. I have a feeling it will look like this for 2006:
1a. Big Ten
1b. SEC
2. Big XII
3. PAC-10
4. Big East
5. ACC

Of course, there could be surprises this bowl season.
 
#107
#107
allvol said:
Your only going to have 1 decent out of conference game from each team each season. And if a team like Florida State is down, nobody has control of that.

I would give these SEC teams props for scheduling out-of-conference teams that have been in the top 25 currently or in recent years.

Tennessee vs California, Memphis
Georgia vs Georgia Tech, Colorado
Florida vs Florida State, Southern Miss
Kentucky vs Louisville
Vanderbilt vs Michigan
Arkansas vs Southern Cal
Auburn vs Washington State
LSU vs Arizona
Alabama vs Hawaii
Ole Miss vs Missouri, Wake Forest
Miss State vs West Virginia

California, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Louisville, Michigan, Southern Cal, Washington State, Hawaii, Missouri, Wake Forest, WVU were all ranked this season.

Memphis and Colorado were ranked in 2005, and Southern Miss in 2004. Arizona is currently ranked as high as 22nd in one BCS computer ranking after back-to-back wins over California and Oregon.

Forget winning margins.... that has been taken out of the BCS.... Florida has played 10 bowl teams this season. Michigan and Ohio State have each played only 7.
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Oh, snap! Someone just got proven wrong. :)
 
#109
#109
therealUT said:
I will definitely be waiting for the outcome of the Bowl Games, as those are key non conference games used to determine conference superiority. I have a feeling it will look like this for 2006:
1a. Big Ten
1b. SEC
2. Big XII
3. PAC-10
4. Big East
5. ACC

Of course, there could be surprises this bowl season.
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depends solely on your point of view...so for you, yeah, they'd be surprises.:) for most of the rest of us....business as usual.
 
#110
#110
TuskALoosa said:
Any conference that is AFRAID to play a conference championship (Big 10 and Pac 10) should NOT be allowed to play in a BCS championship game. End of story.
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They aren't allowed to right now. Plus, the PAC 10's new way of crowning a champ is better than the Big 12's, ACC's, and SEC's.
 
#112
#112
sjt18 said:
In my estimation neither would have finished with less than one loss with UF's schedule or less than 2 with LSU's schedule.

They are very good teams that have played very weak competition this year.

I love the SEC but will admit that the Big10 is often the better conference... not this year by a long shot. They aren't even number two and the margin between them and the Pac10 is fairly significant.
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Michigan and Florida had very very very similiar SOS.
 
#116
#116
allvol said:
Forget winning margins.... that has been taken out of the BCS.... Florida has played 10 bowl teams this season. Michigan and Ohio State have each played only 7.
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When you look one level deeper, it is even worse.

UF has played 4 teams that will play in what used to be Jan 1 bowl games. OSU has played two such teams... and one of them was PSU who at 8-4 were the beneficiaries of a down year in the conference.
 
#119
#119
VolinArizona said:
Michigan and Florida had very very very similiar SOS.
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Only in the dreams of homers or by paper shufflers... not on the field. Here is a side by side comparison in a roughly descending order of quality.

UF--------------------Michigan
LSU 10-2---------------OSU 12-0
Aub 10-2---------------Wis 11-1
Ark 10-3---------------ND 10-2
UT 9-3---------------PSU 8-4
UGA 8-4---------------Minn 6-6
UK 8-4---------------Cent Mich 9-4
USC 7-5----------------Iowa 6-6
Bama 6-6---------------Ind 5-7
USM 8-5----------------MSU 4-8
FSU 6-6----------------Vandy 4-8
Vandy 4-8--------------Ball St 5-7
WCU 2-10--------------NW 4-8

UF played two teams with losing records. Michigan played 5... almost half their schedule. Go the next level deeper and ask who of note was beaten by the teams both played.

UT beat Cal. UGA beat GT. USC beat Clemson.... Neither ND nor Wis come close to wins of this caliber. Minnesota who is in the upper half of their schedule gave them a game not long after being blown out by Cal... who'd just been blown out by UT.

In no way shape or form can you make a rationalization that says UM played the SOS UF played. It simply isn't so. Other than OSU and LSU a toss up and NW a definite over WCU... I think every line on that comparison favors UF's schedule.
 
#120
#120
sjt18 said:
I think every line on that comparison favors UF's schedule.
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You were doing okay until this, and you lost all credibility.

The schedules were similiar. I've done the breakdown around 5 times on this forum. I'm not doing it again. Arkansas's presence on the schedule makes Florida's better.
 
#121
#121
BACKDOC said:
I know a guy from Iowa who is a Bama fan. I know a guy who is from Illinois, he's a Bama fan. I know a lady from Penn. she's a Bama fan. I know a lady from S Dakota; not sure where her husband is from, but their dog is named Bama. I don't understand this considering the rep. that Bama fans have. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out, and there are plenty of those around here. You see a car with an Auburn flag and it's a Lexus, and the one right behind it has a Bama flag flying and it's an old pickup truck with plastic covering the side where the window used to be.
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Well there you go. Summed up nicely for everyone. The conference Bama's in is clearly the best 'cause everyone likes them or wants to be them.
 
#123
#123
VolinArizona said:
You were doing okay until this, and you lost all credibility.

The schedules were similiar. I've done the breakdown around 5 times on this forum. I'm not doing it again. Arkansas's presence on the schedule makes Florida's better.
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Hardly. The best two teams on UM's schedule after OSU are ND and Wisconsin... neither of whom have beaten anyone. Who would you count as the best win on either schedule? Wisconsin's would be PSU. ND's would be GT.

Wisconsin has played only one ranked team and lost.

I think ND may have played 3 and lost to two of them. Neither compares well in competition to Aub or Arkansas.

Please list the teams on the right side of the column that you would favor over the team on the left side of the column.

Typically, I think the Big 10 is top to bottom better than the SEC. The SEC almost always has some real stinkers at the bottom. But this year is an exception for both conferences. Even the Miss schools played decent at the end of the year and no one in the Big 10 beyond the top 4 had a regular pulse.
 
#124
#124
BTW, I did give exceptions for OSU and WCU. OSU and LSU would be a great game on a neutral site. WCU was a 2-10 1AA team.
 
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