SEC vs Big 10

#126
#126
sjt18 said:
BTW, I did give exceptions for OSU and WCU. OSU and LSU would be a great game on a neutral site. WCU was a 2-10 1AA team.
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And you forgot Florida played an absolutely WRETCHED Central Florida team.

Like I said, Arkansas being on Florida's schedule made theirs better. The regular season schedules were very similiar.
 
#127
#127
VolinArizona said:
And you forgot Florida played an absolutely WRETCHED Central Florida team.

Like I said, Arkansas being on Florida's schedule made theirs better. The regular season schedules were very similiar.
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Didn't UCF win their conference last year? I don't fault UF for scheduling them, but clearly they didn't turn out to be that good.
 
#128
#128
kptvol said:
Didn't UCF win their conference last year? I don't fault UF for scheduling them, but clearly they didn't turn out to be that good.
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Did Florida even schedule them after last season? I'm not sure, but I doubt it.
 
#129
#129
therealUT said:
What?!? Except of course for that thrashing that UT suffered at the hands of Nebraska, circa 1997...
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Wasn't that Nebraska over Florida like 62-17. By the by, that Nebraska team might have been the best College team ever.
 
#130
#130
sjt18 said:
Hardly. The best two teams on UM's schedule after OSU are ND and Wisconsin... neither of whom have beaten anyone. Who would you count as the best win on either schedule? Wisconsin's would be PSU. ND's would be GT.

Wisconsin has played only one ranked team and lost.

I think ND may have played 3 and lost to two of them. Neither compares well in competition to Aub or Arkansas.

Please list the teams on the right side of the column that you would favor over the team on the left side of the column.

Typically, I think the Big 10 is top to bottom better than the SEC. The SEC almost always has some real stinkers at the bottom. But this year is an exception for both conferences. Even the Miss schools played decent at the end of the year and no one in the Big 10 beyond the top 4 had a regular pulse.
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Yeah, Indiana, Illinois, Northwestern, and Michigan State have been so impressive the last decade.
 
#131
#131
My .02 to get to the real difference in the two conferences.

Since Jimmy Johnson introduced speed as mightier than brawn in college football, teams from warmer climes have been better than those in colder climes because of the difficulty in recruiting speed to the cold reaches of the Big Ten's stomping grounds. The Big Ten definitely has equal speed at the skill positions, but is nowhere close along the defensive lines (especially ends) and linebackers. That has made a tremendous difference between the conferences and is the main reason we currently see a dearth of any defenses worth discussing in the Big Ten.

The preponderance of the speed guys in the country come from FL, TX and CA. I would hate to have the job of recruiting kids to Ann Arbor, et al from those areas.
 
#132
#132
To say that UofM or TOSU could go undefeated in the SEC is CRAZY. I live right in the heart of both of these teams. (Toledo,Ohio-5 miles from michigan) so it is half and half with fans here. For those of you who dont get to see EVERY GAME, i suggest not to say anything. I have seen TOSU and UofM struggle with some pretty low caliber teams. I think they are good and like someone else said on here they are a 10-2 SEC team and at best 11-1. Michigan did beat ND but come on guys ND is not a "great" team. Weiss is like 1-5 or 1-4 in quality games, the man just cant coach college football. (not saying i could either) Law gator to say that your team is a 10 point underdog? Im not saying be biast here but, with no Troy smith TOSU is a 2 loss team, Your defensive secondary is much faster the TOSU has played, your front seven is faster then anyone TOSU has played, if leak and your rec. show up this could be like the TOSU vs ND match-up of last year accept TOSU would be taking the spanking. I DO NOT like Florida one bit but I will be rooting for them as well as i will be rooting for every other sec team in the bowl games this year. I am proud of what this Conf. does as a whole and NO OTHER conf. in the nation Stacks up. I wish we could have a SEC/BIG TEN showdown(like the have the B10 vs ACC basketball showdown) but i do have my orange glasses on also. So will see what happens come bowl time. GOOD LUCK TO ALLLLL SEC. and GOOOOOOOOOOOO VOLS
 
#133
#133
I didn't know that living in Toledo was a qualifier for this debate. Interesting.

I have watched plenty of Michigan and Tosu games this season. To say they struggled with a lot of opponents is laughable. They struggled to beat people by 30?

I have some pretty interesting data to shed light on this whole conference strength thing. Here are the Top 25 strength of schedules in terms of opponents winning percentage:
  1. Stanford
  2. Cincy
  3. UConn
  4. Minnesota
  5. Arizona
  6. Illinois
  7. South Carolina
  8. Florida
  9. Ok. State
  10. Michigan
  11. UNC
  12. Mississippi St
  13. USC
  14. Washington
  15. UK
  16. UCLA
  17. Indiana
  18. NC State
  19. Texas
  20. Ole Miss
  21. Utah State
  22. Oregon
  23. Duke
  24. Penn State
  25. Syracuse
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Now, here is a list of strength of schedule based on opponents opponents (yes, opponents should be there twice) winning percentage:
  1. Cal
  2. Vandy
  3. Washington State
  4. Tosu
  5. USC
  6. Wisconsin
  7. Michigan State
  8. Wake Forest
  9. UGA
  10. Oregon
  11. Arkansas
  12. Arizona State
  13. UCLA
  14. Navy
  15. Notre Dame
  16. Arizona
  17. LSU
  18. Louisville
  19. South Florida
  20. Iowa
  21. Kentucky
  22. Tennessee
  23. Washington
  24. Florida
  25. Oklahoma
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I am not exactly sure what these lists prove, other than there is very little evidence out there that objectively points out the SEC as the toughest conference.
 
#134
#134
This is the SOS formula formerly used by the BCS. It is comprised of both opponents schedule and opponents-opponents schedule.

Just surveying the top 25 includes 7 SEC schools and only 3 Big 10 schools.

2 Michigan
3 Florida
5 Minnesota
7 South Carolina
10 Tennessee
11 LSU
13 Kentucky
19 Auburn
20 Penn State
25 Arkansas
 
#135
#135
allvol said:
This is the SOS formula formerly used by the BCS. It is comprised of both opponents schedule and opponents-opponents schedule.

Just surveying the top 25 includes 7 SEC schools and only 3 Big 10 schools.

2 Michigan
3 Florida
5 Minnesota
7 South Carolina
10 Tennessee
11 LSU
13 Kentucky
19 Auburn
20 Penn State
25 Arkansas
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I guess this shows that when I said Michigan's and Florida's SOS were similiar, I was very very very right.
 
#136
#136
Can someone please compile a list of the conference bowl records for say the last 15 years? Or show me where to find it.

I'm pretty sure the SEC has been the dominant conference has been the SEC.

That should settle this.
 
#137
#137
oklavol said:
Can someone please compile a list of the conference bowl records for say the last 15 years? Or show me where to find it.

I'm pretty sure the SEC has been the dominant conference has been the SEC.

That should settle this.
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Why would bowl records settle this? Teams often show up having used the bowl season as an early spring practice for next year. Teams have little to play for and show little motivation (a la UT for the last few years) and the seniors tend to have their heads elsewhere if the game has little meaning.

Bowl games are an awful barometer in measuring the strength of a conference.
 
#138
#138
BigPapaVol said:
Why would bowl records settle this? Teams often show up having used the bowl season as an early spring practice for next year. Teams have little to play for and show little motivation (a la UT for the last few years) and the seniors tend to have their heads elsewhere if the game has little meaning.

Bowl games are an awful barometer in measuring the strength of a conference.
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First, its more important how you play at the end of the season then at the beginning in most sports.

Second, Bowl games are when the majority of conferences play teams outside their conference.

There are a few out of conference match-ups through the year, but its much easier to track how teams play in bowl games.
 
#139
#139
BigPapaVol said:
Why would bowl records settle this? Teams often show up having used the bowl season as an early spring practice for next year. Teams have little to play for and show little motivation (a la UT for the last few years) and the seniors tend to have their heads elsewhere if the game has little meaning.

Bowl games are an awful barometer in measuring the strength of a conference.
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QFT
 
#140
#140
oklavol said:
Can someone please compile a list of the conference bowl records for say the last 15 years? Or show me where to find it.

I'm pretty sure the SEC has been the dominant conference has been the SEC.

That should settle this.
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I don't have the stats YET, but I know the SEC hasn't been dominant.
 
#141
#141
oklavol said:
First, its more important how you play at the end of the season then at the beginning in most sports.

Second, Bowl games are when the majority of conferences play teams outside their conference.

There are a few out of conference match-ups through the year, but its much easier to track how teams play in bowl games.
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your response did little / nothing to refute anything I said
 
#143
#143
BigPapaVol said:
Why would bowl records settle this? Teams often show up having used the bowl season as an early spring practice for next year. Teams have little to play for and show little motivation (a la UT for the last few years) and the seniors tend to have their heads elsewhere if the game has little meaning.

Bowl games are an awful barometer in measuring the strength of a conference.
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Also, usually the BCS bowls the only bowls that pit equally ranked (conference-wise) opponents against each other. The Chik-fil-a, for example I think pits the SEC #3 or 4 against like the ACC #2. So, the ACC winning that matcup doesn't necessarily prove anything about conference strength.
 
#144
#144
SEC vs Big10 in bowls (1985-2005)

SEC wins
'05 HOF: Florida 31, Iowa 24
'04 HOF: Georgia 24, Wisconsin 21
'03 Citrus: Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)
'03 Music City: Auburn 28, Wisconsin 14
'02 Citrus: Auburn 13, Penn State 9
'01 Citrus: Tennessee 45, Michigan 17
'01 HOF: S.Carolina 31, Ohio State 28
'01 Sugar: LSU 47, Illinois 34
'00 HOF: S.Carolina 24, Ohio St 7
'99 HOF: Georgia 28, Purdue 25 (OT)
'97 HOF: Georgia 33, Wisconsin 6
'97 Citrus: Florida 21, Penn State 6
'96 Citrus: Tennessee 48, Northwestern 28
'96 HOF: Alabama 17, Michigan 14
'95 Citrus: Tennessee 20, Ohio State 14
'95 Ind: LSU 45, Mich State 26
'94 Citrus: Alabama 24, Ohio State 17
'92 Citrus: Georgia 21, Ohio State 14
'90 Peach: Auburn 27, Indiana 23
'89 HOF: Auburn 31, Ohio State 14
'88 Gator: Georgia 34, Michigan State 27
'87 Peach: Tennessee 27, Indiana 22
'86 Liberty: Tennessee 21, Minnesota 14


Big10 wins
'05 Citrus: Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10
'04 Citrus: Iowa 30, LSU 25
'04 Music City: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16
'03 HOF: Iowa 37, Florida 17
'02 HOF: Michigan 38, Florida 30
'00 Citrus: Michigan 31, Auburn 28
'99 Citrus: Mich State 37, Florida 34
'99 Orange: Michigan 35, Alabama 34 (OT)
'98 HOF: Penn State 26, Kentucky 14
'95 HOF: Penn State 43, Auburn 14
'90 Gator: Michigan 35, Ole Miss 3
'88 Liberty: Indiana 34, S.Carolina 10
 
#147
#147
allvol said:
SEC vs Big10 in bowls (1985-2005)

SEC wins
'05 HOF: Florida 31, Iowa 24
'04 HOF: Georgia 24, Wisconsin 21
'03 Citrus: Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)
'03 Music City: Auburn 28, Wisconsin 14
'02 Citrus: Auburn 13, Penn State 9
'01 Citrus: Tennessee 45, Michigan 17
'01 HOF: S.Carolina 31, Ohio State 28
'01 Sugar: LSU 47, Illinois 34
'00 HOF: S.Carolina 24, Ohio St 7
'99 HOF: Georgia 28, Purdue 25 (OT)
'97 HOF: Georgia 33, Wisconsin 6
'97 Citrus: Florida 21, Penn State 6
'96 Citrus: Tennessee 48, Northwestern 28
'96 HOF: Alabama 17, Michigan 14
'95 Citrus: Tennessee 20, Ohio State 14
'95 Ind: LSU 45, Mich State 26
'94 Citrus: Alabama 24, Ohio State 17
'92 Citrus: Georgia 21, Ohio State 14
'90 Peach: Auburn 27, Indiana 23
'89 HOF: Auburn 31, Ohio State 14
'88 Gator: Georgia 34, Michigan State 27
'87 Peach: Tennessee 27, Indiana 22
'86 Liberty: Tennessee 21, Minnesota 14


Big10 wins
'05 Citrus: Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10
'04 Citrus: Iowa 30, LSU 25
'04 Music City: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16
'03 HOF: Iowa 37, Florida 17
'02 HOF: Michigan 38, Florida 30
'00 Citrus: Michigan 31, Auburn 28
'99 Citrus: Mich State 37, Florida 34
'99 Orange: Michigan 35, Alabama 34 (OT)
'98 HOF: Penn State 26, Kentucky 14
'95 HOF: Penn State 43, Auburn 14
'90 Gator: Michigan 35, Ole Miss 3
'88 Liberty: Indiana 34, S.Carolina 10
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I would consider that pretty impressive if that is the complete list. 23 to 12. That's almost doubling them up.
 
#150
#150
allvol said:
SEC vs Big10 in bowls (1985-2005)

SEC wins
'05 HOF: Florida 31, Iowa 24
'04 HOF: Georgia 24, Wisconsin 21
'03 Citrus: Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)
'03 Music City: Auburn 28, Wisconsin 14
'02 Citrus: Auburn 13, Penn State 9
'01 Citrus: Tennessee 45, Michigan 17
'01 HOF: S.Carolina 31, Ohio State 28
'01 Sugar: LSU 47, Illinois 34
'00 HOF: S.Carolina 24, Ohio St 7
'99 HOF: Georgia 28, Purdue 25 (OT)
'97 HOF: Georgia 33, Wisconsin 6
'97 Citrus: Florida 21, Penn State 6
'96 Citrus: Tennessee 48, Northwestern 28
'96 HOF: Alabama 17, Michigan 14
'95 Citrus: Tennessee 20, Ohio State 14
'95 Ind: LSU 45, Mich State 26
'94 Citrus: Alabama 24, Ohio State 17
'92 Citrus: Georgia 21, Ohio State 14
'90 Peach: Auburn 27, Indiana 23
'89 HOF: Auburn 31, Ohio State 14
'88 Gator: Georgia 34, Michigan State 27
'87 Peach: Tennessee 27, Indiana 22
'86 Liberty: Tennessee 21, Minnesota 14


Big10 wins
'05 Citrus: Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10
'04 Citrus: Iowa 30, LSU 25
'04 Music City: Minnesota 20, Alabama 16
'03 HOF: Iowa 37, Florida 17
'02 HOF: Michigan 38, Florida 30
'00 Citrus: Michigan 31, Auburn 28
'99 Citrus: Mich State 37, Florida 34
'99 Orange: Michigan 35, Alabama 34 (OT)
'98 HOF: Penn State 26, Kentucky 14
'95 HOF: Penn State 43, Auburn 14
'90 Gator: Michigan 35, Ole Miss 3
'88 Liberty: Indiana 34, S.Carolina 10
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Thanks.

Those stats speak for themselves.
 
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