SEC Instant Replay Calls

#76
#76
Iam4utalways said:
I like getting the call right.

I will never forget the call in the Ky loss. It was a bunch of junk, google it, it had to be the worst calls ever.

Seems all I can recall anytime there has been "further review", it went against what we wanted, and several were game changing calls. LSU comes to mind, but we did have 12 or 13 on the field for the last play, LSU should thank their center for "just snapping it", well they did have to punch it in, which they did, and we lost. Yipee, memory lane, I'm ready to make some new awesome Vol memories. There were some lean years there for while, I'm sure glad that's finally over.

2016 Rocks!

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I think that's usually more how it goes. People don't as much remember the reversed calls that went in their favor as they do the ones that went against their team / they felt screwed their team over.

That's likely across fans of all fan bases.
 
#77
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Vols_74 said:
Not everyone. I believed it was a TD the whole time and a few others on here as well.
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Sorry. And I'm glad. Still pi$$ed @ that. Then nearly got hit by a tropical storm in South AL a few hours later. :banghead2:
 
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livefaith said:
Sorry. And I'm glad. Still pi$$ed @ that. Then nearly got hit by a tropical storm in South AL a few hours later. :banghead2:
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Me too man. I kept one of the still images saved on my phone for months and every time I'd look at it I'd get mad.
 
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TrueOrange said:
I think that's usually more how it goes. People don't as much remember the reversed calls that went in their favor as they do the ones that went against their team / they felt screwed their team over.

That's likely across fans of all fan bases.
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Also there for a while it seemed we were doing fine in Overitime Games, then that turned on us too. I remember one year the schedule poster had 60 minute men, I think we lost two games in OT that year.

2016 is about how we finish.

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#81
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TrueOrange said:
I didn't like that we lost, but at the same time, that explanation also seems to be getting a little too close to that same area of "can you definitively say the moment Pig Howard lost control before the ball crossed the plain based off one stopped still/scene" (sorry, might be blanking on the proper word), when if one watches the play at regular speed it was clear that he was in the process of losing control of the ball after he reached out his arms for the goal line.
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You have to watch the local news channel version, and especially sync the frames of each vid. When the side view appears (it really does appear) that he loses control = the tip of the ball starts dropping ... the other video shows absolutely that it is not slipping and that Pig is actually gripping the cone of the ball to a point past the front of the goal line. The ball slips from his grip at the moment the uga LB hits his feet. When you go back to the side view (recall/CBS view) the moment that the LB touches Pig's feet is at a moment when the tip is 1/2 way into the goal line.

Hope that makes sense. Can't believe my old mond can remember it, but it suuuux. :-\ Try it.
 
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#82
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Vols_74 said:
I wasn't implying Gaffney was reviewed just that it was bad call and wish we had review at the time.

MCB I understand the penalty deal and that it was correct call I just believe there were multiple blown calls leading up to that terrible circumstance. I can't remember them all now but it was ridiculous.
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I'm curious, as it's been a while since I saw the last parts of the game. How so?

Are you referring to the argument in which some had perceived that "since one referee said game over, the game should end" (though the correct interpretation of the rules at the time - as there was no rule for clock run off after an offensive penalty - and any replay showing there was still time left after that snap would have both meant that it would have been beyond incorrect for them to enforce it as such...especially if a review were called for by the review officials rather than either team)?
 
#83
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livefaith said:
Pig Howard's fumble was over turned WITHOUT indisputable evidence. Everyone thought he fumbled. But when the video was released by that local Sports News Channel in the end zone, and the two views were time synced ... it was proven that the original call was correct and he controlled it past the plane of the front of the goal line.

That play most likely cost us a huuuuge win that year. Overturned on an assumption of one video angle translated as indisputable evidence.
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Link to that?
 
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TrueOrange said:
I'm curious, as it's been a while since I saw the last parts of the game. How so?

Are you referring to the argument in which some had perceived that "since one referee said game over, the game should end" (though the correct interpretation of the rules at the time - as there was no rule for clock run off after an offensive penalty - and any replay showing there was still time left after that snap would have both meant that it would have been beyond incorrect for them to enforce it as such...especially if a review were called for by the review officials rather than either team)?
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No it had nothing to do with the spike ( although that was crap) but multiple calls/ bungled clock management by refs during that entire drive. I would have to go back and watch it to remember and I really don't want to do that. I know it started with a penalty on Jansen where they marked off the 15 yards from the spot where I believe the receiver dropped the ball or something crazy like that. Also they missed a clipping penalty at end of play and tried to say we hit them late.
 
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livefaith said:
Pig Howard's fumble was over turned WITHOUT indisputable evidence. Everyone thought he fumbled. But when the video was released by that local Sports News Channel in the end zone, and the two views were time synced ... it was proven that the original call was correct and he controlled it past the plane of the front of the goal line.

That play most likely cost us a huuuuge win that year. Overturned on an assumption of one video angle translated as indisputable evidence.
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With all due respect, as much as I hated it, I thought it was the right call...I didn't think he had possession of the ball/thought he was fumbling it as he crossed the goal line. Jmo. I also think the rule that a fumble through the endzone that results in a touchback and loss of possession is waayyyyy too punitive....makes no sense IMO.
 
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#88
#88
good thread, and 83, you're right. the issue isn't the rule itself, it's the application of the replay rule. there was no evidence to 100% overturn the call, thus the call should have stood. period.

i like the idea of the centralized reviews. they're not impacted by players, crowds etc...and they'll, most times anyway, already have been watching the TV broadcast, and have better equipment to do the reviews with.
 
#89
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jakez4ut said:
good thread, and 83, you're right. the issue isn't the rule itself, it's the application of the replay rule. there was no evidence to 100% overturn the call, thus the call should have stood. period.

i like the idea of the centralized reviews. they're not impacted by players, crowds etc...and they'll, most times anyway, already have been watching the TV broadcast, and have better equipment to do the reviews with.
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Rocky Goode was on the Sports Animal the Monday after the Vandy game and he said sometimes it just boils down to common sense.

If the ball wasn't fumbled or between his legs he clearly passed the spot needed for a 1st down. I see both sides of the argument, but I think the correct call was made...just their methods were a bit suspect.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Rocky Goode was on the Sports Animal the Monday after the Vandy game and he said sometimes it just boils down to common sense.

If the ball wasn't fumbled or between his legs he clearly passed the spot needed for a 1st down. I see both sides of the argument, but I think the correct call was made...just their methods were a bit suspect.
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i do too, but the replay rule doesn't say anything about "what common sense tells you". basically, once it goes to the booth, no ones allowed to think on their own anymore....it's either 100% wrong and needs changed or it stands as called.

it says 'irrefutable evidence'. and there wasn't any. at least not enough to to overturn it.

the way the replay rule is worded, it does not allow for judgment, interpretation of a rule or anything else....it simply says "based on the video, is there irrefutable evidence to reverse or change the call on the field".

heck it starts off by saying "before any play is reviewed, it is gone into with the assumption the call on the field is correct..."
 
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#91
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it's a moot point now, so i'm not gonna get all worked up about it...but i do think 83 did a good job of connecting all the dots. and if we can have a system that takes another step to help prevent those things from happening...i'm for it.
 
#92
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Boca Vol said:
Rocky Goode was on the Sports Animal the Monday after the Vandy game and he said sometimes it just boils down to common sense.

If the ball wasn't fumbled or between his legs he clearly passed the spot needed for a 1st down. I see both sides of the argument, but I think the correct call was made...just their methods were a bit suspect.
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What's interesting in watching the replay, officials on both sides of the pile and a Tennessee player are all looking toward the back of the pile. Maybe the QB wasn't able to keep the ball at his chest when diving forward.

I thought (thought being the operative word) the original spot was wrong too. But there certainly wasn't evidence that the call was wrong without any doubt.

In the history of instant replay, I'd like to know of ONE other spot call that got overturned without being able to see the ball. We have had more than our share fair of bad calls. But that one was up there at the top IMO.

Do you think that if we were the team on offense in a situation like that, we would have a chance in hell of the call being overturned? Honestly.
 
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#93
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Kristy* said:
What's interesting in watching the replay, officials on both sides of the pile and a Tennessee player are all looking toward the back of the pile. Maybe the QB wasn't able to keep the ball at his chest when diving forward.

I thought (thought being the operative word) the original spot was wrong too. But there certainly wasn't evidence that the call was wrong without any doubt.

In the history of instant replay, I'd like to know of ONE other spot call that got overturned without being able to see the ball. We have had more than our share fair of bad calls. But that one was up there at the top IMO.

Do you think that if we were the team on offense in a situation like that, we would have a chance in hell of the call being overturned? Honestly.
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That's a great question. I don't know but given our luck over the last decade I would say no.

If the original spot was made in front of the line needed would UT fans say it was a bad spot?
 
#94
#94
Boca Vol said:
That's a great question. I don't know but given our luck over the last decade I would say no.

If the original spot was made in front of the line needed would UT fans say it was a bad spot?
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Absolutely. We're all in agreement that the spot was likely bad. Still has no bearing on whether it should be overturned.
 
#96
#96
VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Something HAS to change. The level of inconsistency of officiating from one game to the next is mind-boggling.

I still can't believe Emmanuel Moseley was ejected for targeting...
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I would expect it to get worse then. Who's going to be more PC and worried about lawsuits than the League Office? They're part of the parade of panty-waisted morons who came up with the targeting rule, you think they will enforce it less?
 
#97
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Kristy* said:
Absolutely. We're all in agreement that the spot was likely bad. Still has no bearing on whether it should be overturned.
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I think in that case, the spot was so bad that they figured it was more about serving justice than being exactly right.
 
#98
#98
I would like to add my two cents. Instant replay is flawed and will be forever flawed as long as they go into it looking for "indisputable evidence" in order to overturn.

Instant replay should not be about overturning the call. I should be about making the right call.

The instant replay booth should not know or care how it was called on the field. They should be completely in the dark and when it gets kicked up to their booth they should make the call. They have a dozen angles, and slow motion capacity and they can make the call regardless of what was called on the field. When the booth gets a chance to call it using all of their advantages the refs on the field did not have, we can rest assured they got it right.

But forget about "indisputable evidence" to overturn. I have heard the color man explain that until it makes me want to throw up.

It should not be "instant replays" job to overturn a call. They should be called on occasionally to make a call which they have every advantage to make and get it right--regardless of what was called on the field.

So, get rid of the "indisputable evidence" farce and quit trying to protect the refs on the field and have the booth committee call the play with the numerous camera angles and slow motion so we can get it right once they have the opportunity to make a call.

I just can't get over these dim witted commentators lecturing us on the "indisputable evidence" rule. Eliminate that and let the guys in the booth call the play without even knowing what was called on the field.

That will be a step in the right direction.

AND THAT'S WHAT I THINK
 
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#100
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Boca Vol said:
Rocky Goode was on the Sports Animal the Monday after the Vandy game and he said sometimes it just boils down to common sense.

If the ball wasn't fumbled or between his legs he clearly passed the spot needed for a 1st down. I see both sides of the argument, but I think the correct call was made...just their methods were a bit suspect.
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I have to say as a VOLS fan 83 you made me proud. You made every point that could have been made that the replay official blew it. This was the thing that really rubbed me the wrong way was when Rocky said that on the sports animal that day. I don't care if you make all the assumptions you want about where you think the BALL IS. IF YOU CANT SEE THE BALL you cannot change the call. There were 2 line judges who came running in on that play and spotted the ball with their foot in the exact same spot on each side of the pile. What was said by the Bama fan was that the assumption was that no official saw the ball. How do we know that the 2 officials either one or both saw the ball and knew where to spot it and a official in the booth used COMMON SENSE to change the call. I think go in our favor or against us make the calls by the rule not your assumptions or your common sense. No one asked for either.
 
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