SEC Instant Replay Calls

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PMC2726 said:
SIAP, but I noticed this article today. Not sure how I feel about this. I see the potential for both positives and negatives. What say you? :hi:

SEC to have officials at headquarters assist with instant replay calls
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I like getting the call right.

I will never forget the call in the Ky loss. It was a bunch of junk, google it, it had to be the worst calls ever.

Seems all I can recall anytime there has been "further review", it went against what we wanted, and several were game changing calls. LSU comes to mind, but we did have 12 or 13 on the field for the last play, LSU should thank their center for "just snapping it", well they did have to punch it in, which they did, and we lost. Yipee, memory lane, I'm ready to make some new awesome Vol memories. There were some lean years there for while, I'm sure glad that's finally over.

2016 Rocks!

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Vols_74 said:
He may very well have had the ball between his knees. He may had it clinched in his teeth. He may have fumbled the ball? Who knows? We never saw the ball cross the line. Call stands on field. Period
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Actually, you could see his knees on the play, and the ball wasn't there. And if had fumbled, the he quite clearly got it back before the pile cleared.
 
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Aesius said:
On replay, I think it was pretty clear that Carta-Samuels got the first down. I could be wrong but I remember getting a horrible feeling when they showed the replay because it looked like they were going to overturn it.

Wish the full game was uploaded somewhere to go back and rewatch that part.
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unfortunately it is on youtube -- see the 445 mark - even though the ball is a bit on the yellow line on the measurement it is still not a 1st down - the ball may very well have been below his waist and thats what the ref on the field saw - no way the replay ref can see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzRnCxcCso fwiw at the beginning of the play one of the OL moved and it wasnt called
 
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bamawriter said:
Any time your argument includes "spot of the ball", then you argument doesn't jibe with the rule. The replay official isn't looking for a spot. If the ball is past the line, then the line has been gained. One does not need to see the ball to know that it is past the line.

If I put a ping pong ball under my hat, and I walk across the room, you know that the ball is across the room. You may not know exactly where the ball is on my head, but if the question is "is the ball across the room?", then you can answer quite easily.
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If you can not see the ball, your line of " if the ball is past the line, then line has been gained" makes zero sense!!!!!!!!!!!

And it is spot of ball, because they spotted ball short of first down line, but over turned the spot of ball... giving them a first down!!!!!!!!!!
 
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bamawriter said:
If I wasn't on my phone I'd link it, but you can google it pretty easily. The line to gain review rule does not include the spot of the ball. The question is not "where should the next play begin?", it's "on what down should the next play begin?"

To your point about the endzone: if the play in question had happened in a "goal-to-go" situation, the review would have resulted in a touchdown. Of course, there tend to be cameras on the goal line, which cuts down on the subjectivity.
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I think what you are referring to is that the "line to gain" is the first down marker during a new set of downs, which is placed 10 yards from the "spot of the ball" where the referee determined the ball crossed.

However, the review of actually crossing that line is in question when THE BALL may or may not have crossed the line. It's why they spot the ball where the runners knee went down, not where the body landed.

Line to Gain
ARTICLE 2. The line to gain for a series shall be established 10 yards in
advance of the most forward point of the ball; but if this line is in the opponent’s
end zone, the goal line becomes the line to gain.

Forward Progress
ARTICLE 3. a. The most forward point of the ball when declared dead between
the end lines shall be the determining point in measuring distance gained or lost
by either team during any down
 
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508mikey said:
unfortunately it is on youtube -- see the 445 mark - even though the ball is a bit on the yellow line on the measurement it is still not a 1st down - the ball may very well have been below his waist and thats what the ref on the field saw - no way the replay ref can see it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJzRnCxcCso fwiw at the beginning of the play one of the OL moved and it wasnt called
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It really looks to me like he got it. I thought it when they showed the replay live and it certainly still looks like it now.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
I think what you are referring to is that the "line to gain" is the first down marker during a new set of downs, which is placed 10 yards from the "spot of the ball" where the referee determined the ball crossed.

However, the review of actually crossing that line is in question when THE BALL may or may not have crossed the line. It's why they spot the ball where the runners knee went down, not where the body landed.

Line to Gain
ARTICLE 2. The line to gain for a series shall be established 10 yards in
advance of the most forward point of the ball; but if this line is in the opponent’s
end zone, the goal line becomes the line to gain.

Forward Progress
ARTICLE 3. a. The most forward point of the ball when declared dead between
the end lines shall be the determining point in measuring distance gained or lost
by either team during any down
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Look up the section on replay review. That's the rule I'm referring to.
 
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Aesius said:
It really looks to me like he got it. I thought it when they showed the replay live and it certainly still looks like it now.
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I agree but when they constantly claim 'indisputable evidence' it just isnt there on that play since nobody can see where the ball is - you have to go with the ref on the field for this one
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
read my last post where i pulled the actual definition from the rule book. It's the spot of the ball...
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Can't find a solid link, cuz I'm looking at a PDF:

But it's Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3, line e. In the 2015 book it's on page 107. The only spot in the rule is related to where a fumble might have occurred.
 
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bamawriter said:
Look up the section on replay review. That's the rule I'm referring to.
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I am looking at the rule book right now and there is absolutely nothing about the rule being different for replay than it is during live, on the field calls by the referee. The replay is used to either confirm or change the ruling on the field.

RULE 12
Instant Replay
SECTION 1. Purpose and Philosophy
Purpose
ARTICLE 1. Instant replay is a process whereby video review is used to
confirm, reverse or let stand certain on-field decisions (Rule 12-3) made by
game officials.
Philosophy
ARTICLE 2. The instant replay process operates under the fundamental
assumption that the ruling on the field is correct. The replay official may
reverse a ruling if and only if the video evidence convinces him beyond all
doubt that the ruling was incorrect. Without such indisputable video evidence,
the replay official must allow the ruling to stand.
 
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I can see the back of his knees but not the front where the ball could be. Again the angle is not straight so that calls into question how far he "actually" got. It not clear or indisputable in my opinion and many others.

The LSU gaffe was on us not refs and hurt nonetheless.
 
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bamawriter said:
Can't find a solid link, cuz I'm looking at a PDF:

But it's Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3, line e. In the 2015 book it's on page 107. The only spot in the rule is related to where a fumble might have occurred.
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Rule 12 states what plays are reviewable.

When reviewing a play, you obviously go to the specific rule in the book, which would be where the "spot of the ball" is in Rule 5. The rules do not change when looking at it through a TV screen...
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Rule 12 states what plays are reviewable.

When reviewing a play, you obviously go to the specific rule in the book, which would be where the "spot of the ball" is in Rule 5. The rules do not change when looking at it through a TV screen...
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All it says is "in relation to a first down". They are not reviewing the spot, they are reviewing the line to gain. There is a clear reason that spots aren't reviewable, because games would take 7 hours.
 
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bamawriter said:
Can't find a solid link, cuz I'm looking at a PDF:

But it's Rule 12, Section 3, Article 3, line e. In the 2015 book it's on page 107. The only spot in the rule is related to where a fumble might have occurred.
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e. Ball carrier’s forward progress, spot of fumble, or spot of out-of-bounds
backward pass, with respect to a first down.

This is just an example of a reviewable play as stated in the section, not HOW to interpret the rule.
 
#44
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He has X-Ray vision just like the replay official and superman because he saw the ball cross the "line to gain"
 
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#45
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
e. Ball carrier’s forward progress, spot of fumble, or spot of out-of-bounds
backward pass, with respect to a first down.

This is just an example of a reviewable play as stated in the section, not HOW to interpret the rule.
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Go back to the spot of the ball rule. What does it say about plays where no official can see the ball? How is it supposed to be spotted?
 
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bamawriter said:
All it says is "in relation to a first down". They are not reviewing the spot, they are reviewing the line to gain. There is a clear reason that spots aren't reviewable, because games would take 7 hours.
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Yes they are reviewing the spot, as stated in Rule 5. Rule 12 just states what plays ARE reviewable, which the SPOT OF THE BALL is.

For example, if a player makes a catch and is ruled a catch in bounds, but the play is in question it can be reviewed. The referee understands the rule from the certain section in the rule book. However, the play under question is an ELIGIBLE reviewable play under the instant replay section (12) of the rule book.
 
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VOL 4 Life 83 said:
Yes they are reviewing the spot, as stated in Rule 5. Rule 12 just states what plays ARE reviewable, which the SPOT OF THE BALL is.

For example, if a player makes a catch and is ruled a catch in bounds, but the play is in question it can be reviewed. The referee understands the rule from the certain section in the rule book. However, the play under question is an ELIGIBLE reviewable play under the instant replay section (12) of the rule book.
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That's reviewing whether or not the catch was in bounds, not the spot of the ball.
 
#48
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Just so you know 83, if Bama was on the short end of the call in question, I'd be saying everything you are, word-for-word.

I'm not above my bias.
 
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