SEC Divisional Winner, Since Florida Has Confused Things

[TrueOrange]

Per joe alleva Florida has not reached out about playing on Nov 19th. If they dont play on that date its more they dont want to lose a home game. This is all on florida and the SEC LSU tried everything to play this week. Had transportation and hotel for them said they would play Saturday,Sunday,or Monday also said they would fly in the Sunday and fly out after the game.

Per ESPN and the Associated Press yesterday:

On paper, it sounds simple when you consider the options. The first is Nov. 19, a weekend in which Florida hosts Presbyterian and LSU hosts South Alabama. Both are relatively minor nonconference games which have zero bearing on the SEC race, so there’s the thought that both teams could scrap those opponents, and Florida could host LSU then.

Well, not so fast. As ESPN’s Brett McMurphy reported, Florida offered that to LSU and LSU’s administration declined, wanting to keep that home game with South Alabama and all the revenue that would come with it. Buyouts for South Alabama ($1.5 million) and Presbyterian ($500,000) would have to be paid. You'd also be taking a football game away from two programs that want this game, no matter the eventual outcome. LSU would also have to play on the road against a physical Florida team before a Thursday-night game with Texas A&M. Maybe you could move that game back to Friday or Saturday, but now you’re involving TV issues and affecting five teams.

Florida offered to play LSU on Nov. 19 & cancel Presbyterian game, but LSU refused, source told @ESPN. LSU hosts South Alabama on Nov. 19

 

[Omniscient1]

Not sure that's right. Per ESPN and the associated press, Florida offered during the UF/LSU/SEC meetings yesterday to cancel its 11/19 game against Presbyterian and play LSU then (LSU would have to cancel its game against South Alabama). LSU refused to agree to do such.

(and from the sounds of it, they're less keen on rescheduling to the weekend of 10/22 because they'd lose a bye week before the game against Alabama)

Florida's AD has also gone on record yesterday saying it would be find doing whatever the commissioner and the conference decided to do as far as rescheduling the game went.

LSU AD came out last night and again this morning and said that he has had no contact with Florida in regards to rescheduling on 11/19. Stated that the report was false.

 

[CAVPUT]

How funny will it be when we beat A&M tomorrow and this was for nothing

Didn't realize the SEC schedule ended tomorrow.

 

[VolPack22]

So I guess if there's a chance of rain tmrw and next week we should just postpone? What happened to the SEC running its conference instead of letting 2 schools dictate a decision. They should have a vote between the 14 schools and do whatever the majority votes about the game. If the majority votes to play the game, play it. If the majority votes to just outright cancel it, then don't play it. I would have no issue either way if they did things that included the entire conference on the decision.

 

[McDad]

ESPN also said Miles had agreed to be Michigan HC in 2008, so? Turn off the TV, matter of fact, get rid of ESPN>

LSU has repeatedly said they have no proposed date. It could be that words are being used to make a cover, but it doesn't sound like it.

Either way, unless the proposal came with a hefty check its not a serious proposal, even then my take it is to reject it unless the game is in Baton Rouge. (this part is my opinion)

What's the estimated economic impact to LSU and Baton Rouge if you gave up a home game against a cupcake and travelled to Gainesville for a make up?...5, 7, 10 million?

 

[madbamahater]

They couldn't have played it on Sunday. There's a Miami Dolphins- Tennessee Titans there that afternoon. The Hurricanes and Dolphins play in the same stadium.

And from ESPN yesterday regarding the matter of a Sunday or Monday game in Gainesville:

They were thinking about cancelling the Titans and Dolphins game on Sunday since both of them suck ass

 

[LSU-SIU]

What's the estimated economic impact to LSU and Baton Rouge if you gave up a home game against a cupcake and travelled to Gainesville for a make up?...5, 7, 10 million?

Oh I think just game receipts is $3-4m but as far as all that they could claim it might be higher than that.

Either way Florida isn't going to reach out to LSU to reschedule anything as you are now talking probably in the $6-10m (guess) loss for both teams. Florida in theory is getting paid for tomorrow. There is no incentive for Florida to propose anything. lol:lol:lol:

 

[82_VOL_83]

In technical terms, the word "shall" is considered as a requirement for compliance. Ergo, if FL doesn't play their 8th game, they will be considered noncompliant and therefore ineligible. That how it should work.

 

[jakez4ut]

As stated in previous posts this game could be made up Oct 29, if GA v. FLA was moved up to Oct 22. Also could take a wait and see approach, make them play Dec 3 and move SEC Champ game back a week.

they can't move the SEC title game. and they won't.

 

[MiramarVol]

Florida still has UGa in Jacksonville and Arky in Fayetteville. Both of those games will be a test for them. Not to mention getting a make-up for LSU. You can't worry about it, the schedule will take care of itself. It won't come down to technicalities when we go out and win out.

 

[EastTN]

In all fairness I heard a good point this morning on the radio. If they play on Sunday with people coming to town fans etc, you would need police, and medics on hand and there may be devistation in the are who needs those folks more than a football game. I hate Florida as much as anyone else but human life is more important than a football game. Lets just win the next two and not have the conversation. We kind of look weak and scared of our next two foes talking like this. Lets just man up and play ball.

 

[McDad]

Oh I think just game receipts is $3-4m but as far as all that they could claim it might be higher than that.

Either way Florida isn't going to reach out to LSU to reschedule anything as you are now talking probably in the $6-10m (guess) loss for both teams. Florida in theory is getting paid for tomorrow. There is no incentive for Florida to propose anything. lol:lol:lol:

Game receipts, merchandise, concessions, parking...plus hotel, restaurant, bail money to BRPD. Total amount to local economy has to be huge.

 

[82_VOL_83]

On Wednesday next week, UT should claim the entire team has the flu and cancel Bama. We win out and we're 6-1 if we're lose to atm. Solves the whole problem.

 

[allvol123]

On Wednesday next week, UT should claim the entire team has the flu and cancel Bama. We win out and we're 6-1 if we're lose to atm. Solves the whole problem.

This. Going forward you get a division lead and cancel the tough games.

 

[UT-Rex]

As stated in previous posts this game could be made up Oct 29, if GA v. FLA was moved up to Oct 22. Also could take a wait and see approach, make them play Dec 3 and move SEC Champ game back a week.

WAIT, this isn't going to fly: d4h already -- the week of the FL game -- booked reservations to see Dobbs in the SECC game, on Dec 3, not Dec 10.

 

[allvol247]

To gain a little perspective, let's remember. Florida has beaten Kentucky and Vanderbilt in the SEC. That's it.

 

[McDad]

In all fairness I heard a good point this morning on the radio. If they play on Sunday with people coming to town fans etc, you would need police, and medics on hand and there may be devistation in the are who needs those folks more than a football game.ll.

Weak Sauce. Storm is hitting the Eastern edge of FLA. Emergency personnel in the southern, western, middle and panhandle are largeluy unaffected. Southwest Georgia, Alabama would also be able to lend a hand. Additiinally, there was plenty of advanced notice to evacuate or make preps. Every other team in FLA, SC and GA effected by the storm has rescheduled.

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

On Wednesday next week, UT should claim the entire team has the flu and cancel Bama. We win out and we're 6-1 if we're lose to atm. Solves the whole problem.

This! What keeps a team from doing this the way the sh***y SEC rule reads??

 

[TrueOrange]

They were thinking about cancelling the Titans and Dolphins game on Sunday since both of them suck ass

They do, and they still haven't yet, so wouldn't have been an option.

 

[TrueOrange]

Weak Sauce. Storm is hitting the Eastern edge of FLA. Emergency personnel in the southern, western, middle and panhandle are largeluy unaffected. Southwest Georgia, Alabama would also be able to lend a hand. Additiinally, there was plenty of advanced notice to evacuate or make preps. Every other team in FLA, SC and GA effected by the storm has rescheduled.

It's been said since yesterday:

Sunday or Monday wasn’t going to happen either, when you don't know what this storm could end up doing over the weekend and when you consider that the security Florida uses for its games wasn’t going to be around because it had more important things to do, like tend to people in need around the state dealing with the aftermath of Hurricane Matthew.

Not to mention Miami and Florida State got this message today from the Governor's office:

Admin of @FLGovScott msg to @floridastate & UM - we will not provide any law-enforcement help for game. They will be busy elsewhere

 

[BeardedVol]

The participants of the game are determined each year during the eight-game regular-season conference schedule as the teams with the best overall SEC winning percentage in each division."

What does not compute with some of you?

Anyway... If UF goes 6-1= 75%

UT goes 6-2 factor in the extra game = 75%

Uh, 6-1=/=75%

It's 85.7%. Which means if they do not require LSU and Florida to play this game, and the rule is percentage based, then Florida goes to the SEC championship game if they win out, and we wend up 6-2.

 

[TrueOrange]

What's the estimated economic impact to LSU and Baton Rouge if you gave up a home game against a cupcake and travelled to Gainesville for a make up?...5, 7, 10 million?

Maybe $5 mil at most. That seems to be the number thrown around yesterday.

Game receipts, merchandise, concessions, parking...plus hotel, restaurant, bail money to BRPD. Total amount to local economy has to be huge.

Probably why LSU was so gung ho about offering to host it (and letting everyone know they did).

It'd be another home game's worth of money.

 

[jakez4ut]

Weak Sauce. Storm is hitting the Eastern edge of FLA. Emergency personnel in the southern, western, middle and panhandle are largeluy unaffected. Southwest Georgia, Alabama would also be able to lend a hand. Additiinally, there was plenty of advanced notice to evacuate or make preps. Every other team in FLA, SC and GA effected by the storm has rescheduled.

it's not possible to play that game sunday down there. the resources you mentioned in that geography are most likely being reallocated to the areas that need it.

not to mention the fact that probably a good portion of the people that would be needed to work the game for general purposes, likely evacuated, and may have actual issues to deal with at home...like flooding, needing new windows and roofs....

the only option they would have had would have had to play it this week would have been to move the game up to thursday. and that came and went when no decision was made by Tuesday.

there's a lot more to it than just saying move it to Sunday or Monday. the after affect is the actual issue.

the only shot there is to play this game is for both schools to cancel and buy out S Alabama and Presby, and play the game on the 19th.

and i've not heard anything that leads me to believe that will happen. LSU isn't going to give up a home game, and FL doesn't want to play that game that late in the season.

i actually agreed with Finebaum last night when he said we should be preaching patience. my gut says this game won't be played, i could be wrong, but it will take both sides making a concession that neither side wants to make at the moment, and FL has other things more important going on, so i'd say it'll be sometime next week at the earliest this is really revisited again.

as to the SEC title game being moved, they can't. Sunday after, they select all the bowls and name the playoff. and if both teams are eliminated from title game contention at that point, who really would want to play it? and if they aren't eliminated, from strictly conference implication standpoint, both teams stand a better chance of getting to ATL by NOT playing it.

 

[McDad]

it's not possible to play that game sunday down there. the resources you mentioned in that geography are most likely being reallocated to the areas that need it.

not to mention the fact that probably a good portion of the people that would be needed to work the game for general purposes, likely evacuated, and may have actual issues to deal with at home...like flooding, needing new windows and roofs....

the only option they would have had would have had to play it this week would have been to move the game up to thursday. and that came and went when no decision was made by Tuesday.

there's a lot more to it than just saying move it to Sunday or Monday. the after affect is the actual issue.

the only shot there is to play this game is for both schools to cancel and buy out S Alabama and Presby, and play the game on the 19th.

and i've not heard anything that leads me to believe that will happen. LSU isn't going to give up a home game, and FL doesn't want to play that game that late in the season.

i actually agreed with Finebaum last night when he said we should be preaching patience. my gut says this game won't be played, i could be wrong, but it will take both sides making a concession that neither side wants to make at the moment, and FL has other things more important going on, so i'd say it'll be sometime next week at the earliest this is really revisited again.

as to the SEC title game being moved, they can't. Sunday after, they select all the bowls and name the playoff. and if both teams are eliminated from title game contention at that point, who really would want to play it? and if they aren't eliminated, from strictly conference implication standpoint, both teams stand a better chance of getting to ATL by NOT playing it.

Every other university effected managed to reschedule. Heck, LSU has a history of rescheduling due to natural disasters.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Seems a simple solution would be to just go by the number of wins.
If they only end up with 6 wins and so do we, you resort to the tiebreaker. If they have a problem with that, work harder to reschedule the game.

That way no one is being punished or rewarded. They had the chance to win the East when they played us. Leaving no room for loopholes to be a factor.

Charger, I'll give one completely fictional (but realistically possible) example of a case where you would want flexibility the OTHER way:

• Tennessee leads the SEC East, at 6-1 in conference, just Vandy left to play.
• Our only loss is to Bama.
• We beat Florida, and in fact we are Florida's ONLY loss. They have FSU this weekend, and are sitting at 7-1.

So in this scenario, we're the team who need that final game. But something happens the day before or morning of the Vandy game, like a shooter on campus or tornado, or some other catastrophe. The school goes into a period of mourning, and the game is cancelled. With the SEC CG the following weekend, there's no time to reschedule.

See? In a case like this, the 6-1 Vols have beaten the 7-1 Gators head-to-head, and should not be penalized for unavoidably missing one game of the schedule.

I'm not saying that scenario is likely. Certainly not saying it's more likely than a hurricane cancelling a Florida game.

I'm only saying that the SEC should have flexibility in its rule book to adjust to the situation.

Just some common sense and flexibility, that's not too much to ask for, is it?

Go Vols!