SEC Bylaw 10.5. needs to go

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JMSqb11 said:
I'm sorry but we have a lot of coward coaches in the league for refusing to speak their minds. Until a coach or coaches put them on blast and accepts the fines, nothing will change.

The only good thing about Saturday is that Kirby made that sideline ref look like an absolute jackass on national tv with the clapping / timeout fiasco.

I will be interested to see if Kirby gets a friendly whistle going forward.
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He is going to have to apologize for that horrible lie and gas-lighting though right? Right......
 
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"SEC football" is a highly profitable and valuable commercial product, which major corporations have paid handsomely to own and advertise through. It employs tens of thousands of people and is a cornerstone revenue generator for companies like ESPN. Those companies are not going to shell out billions for a product that has controversial or rigged contests. And the SEC is not going to let anyone who publicly represents their product even dare to suggest the product has such a problem. Anything that endangers the profit mission will be addressed with severe hostility.

The coaches should have the right to speak their minds, I would agree, but the ccoaches are in a place where speaking their minds is a very risky proposition. The conference doesn't tape their coachs' mouths shut - but they do make it clear that the penalties (both visible and invisible) are so great that they'd better really _REALLY_ mean it before they even think of saying anything.
 
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fossilfiction said:
But if he does it, then all the talking heads and sound bites for the next few days would be about the coach who called out the refs — why he did it, whether he crossed a line, and every pundit would chime in. That kind of attention would actually put pressure on the SEC to fix its officiating.


And just to be clear, I’m not upset at your point of view — you’re making valid points. I just see it differently.
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all the talking heads and pundits already discuss blatantly bad calls that cause games to go one way or the other. I just do not think this will have the effect you think it will have. unless all the coaches in the entire SEC conference puts out a joint statement it won't help. otherwise you're just going to get one coach that looks like a sore loser and puts the anger of the refs squarely on them going forward.

but you will never get all the coaches to put out a joint statement because at one point or another a bad call will save your season and nobody will want to rock the boat.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
all the talking heads and pundits already discuss blatantly bad calls that cause games to go one way or the other. I just do not think this will have the effect you think it will have. unless all the coaches in the entire SEC conference puts out a joint statement it won't help. otherwise you're just going to get one coach that looks like a sore loser and puts the anger of the refs squarely on them going forward.

but you will never get all the coaches to put out a joint statement because at one point or another a bad call will save your season and nobody will want to rock the boat.
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I think we can agree to disagree. Nothing wrong with that as we are not going to see eye-to-eye on this one.
 
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Instant reply needs to be available on every single play or give coaches x number of challenges for replays during games. Maybe this would make officials more accountable and show up the more incompetent ones. Of course that may mean getting rid of all of them, ha.
 
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OrangeBeachVol said:
Instant reply needs to be available on every single play or give coaches x number of challenges for replays during games. Maybe this would make officials more accountable and show up the more incompetent ones. Of course that may mean getting rid of all of them, ha.
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there's already replay for any call that is reviewable. the reality is that many of the penalties in football are subjective and not really disputable. you think the call should go one way and someone else thinks it should go the other way. things will never be as definitive as you want.

and even on the reviewable plays there's still subjectivity. Just like in the Georgia game with Auburn CLEARLY scored a TD the ball was over the line based on the TV angle but even with replay assist the refs still said it was no touchdown and a fumble.

there's no amount of challenges that will overturn a play thats already been reviewed.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
there's already replay for any call that is reviewable. the reality is that many of the penalties in football are subjective and not really disputable. you think the call should go one way and someone else thinks it should go the other way. things will never be as definitive as you want.

and even on the reviewable plays there's still subjectivity. Just like in the Georgia game with Auburn CLEARLY scored a TD the ball was over the line based on the TV angle but even with replay assist the refs still said it was no touchdown and a fumble.

there's no amount of challenges that will overturn a play thats already been reviewed.
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I was thinking more about the penalties that are not reviewable for the challenges. But agree even with reviews the rule that it has to be 100% obvious to change it may still make it impossible.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Man, you literally cannot explain what's happening to Auburn as just "bad at their jobs".
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so what exactly are you suggesting? that Georgia got all the calls because they are big powerful Georgia? well what about the Tennessee game because last time I checked UT is way more powerful and important than Arkansas. so doesn't that mean we should have been getting all the calls going our way?

so in your mind the SEC only wants Georgia to win and Tennessee to lose? is that the hill you're trying to die on?

where does this conspiracy lead to?
 
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fossilfiction said:
Simply put, it’s insane that coaches or institutions can’t speak their mind about officiating. After the year the SEC has had, if they’re not going to fix the officiating issues or even acknowledge them, then schools and coaches should have the right to call it out.
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Not the answer.

The answer is to create public report cards for each ref and team and bonus them off of good grades.

Make the report cards public after each game. Transparency makes everything better.
 
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fossilfiction said:
You mean like Kirby bullying refs in on the field into giving him a free reset of the playclock and not charging him his timeout? That **** needs to be called out. Auburn should be able to blast that.
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Kirby should be suspended for that. He clearly was calling and saying timeout, then lied about it.
 
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Maybe we could get the head coaches to submit bad calls for each team, then all the coaches in that conference agree or disagree on the calls and a record kept of the ref that made the calls. At the end of the year the 10 worst are terminated and replaced and we begin again next year. This would ensure we are improving the quality of refs year to year while also ensuring the refs know there will be consequences for their actions. OK, what's everybody think?
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Not the answer.

The answer is to create public report cards for each ref and team and bonus them off of good grades.

Make the report cards public after each game. Transparency makes everything better.
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Come on though man, that's not something that is going to happen. It's never even been on the table.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
I like what the ACC is doing this season with their broadcasts including the review discussions
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I think it is great actually and if I was Kirby Smart I would absolutely pull a prank and slip a $100 bill into the pocket of the ref on camera just to watch this message board melt down it would be so so worth it. 😂
 
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Voltopia said:
"SEC football" is a highly profitable and valuable commercial product, which major corporations have paid handsomely to own and advertise through. It employs tens of thousands of people and is a cornerstone revenue generator for companies like ESPN. Those companies are not going to shell out billions for a product that has controversial or rigged contests. And the SEC is not going to let anyone who publicly represents their product even dare to suggest the product has such a problem. Anything that endangers the profit mission will be addressed with severe hostility.

The coaches should have the right to speak their minds, I would agree, but the ccoaches are in a place where speaking their minds is a very risky proposition. The conference doesn't tape their coachs' mouths shut - but they do make it clear that the penalties (both visible and invisible) are so great that they'd better really _REALLY_ mean it before they even think of saying anything.
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If Freeze gets fired, I hope he schedules a press conference and gets his money worth.
 
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UTFranklinVol said:
so what exactly are you suggesting? that Georgia got all the calls because they are big powerful Georgia? well what about the Tennessee game because last time I checked UT is way more powerful and important than Arkansas. so doesn't that mean we should have been getting all the calls going our way?

so in your mind the SEC only wants Georgia to win and Tennessee to lose? is that the hill you're trying to die on?

where does this conspiracy lead to?
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You're telling me a 5+ minute review that was clear as day that went the wrong way was just the refs being bad at their jobs? You're telling me ignoring a guy faking coming out of the game to get open (which is blatantly illegal) to swing the game is not intentional? The selective enforcement of penalties against some teams is not deliberate, ex. being the several-game period a couple of years ago where our opponents had zero live ball fouls? It is happening way, way too often to be mere incompetence.

The league prefers you think that it's incompetence- it lets them hide the fixing and protecting they do. Whether that's to protect their big brands or to punish coaches they don't like (the SEC commissioner in place tried to blackball Auburn's coach, FFS!) something stinks. You can call it a conspiracy, but surely you aren't stupid enough to look at something that happens over and over and simply discount it as people sucking at what they do.
 
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