Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Mullen just wants a raise. That is why FL is going after Kelly first. We will have to pick from Taggert, Norvell, Brohm, Durkin. Hopefully Swain was indicating that the established P5 that has reached out is Whittingham, Fitzgerald, or Patterson.
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I would be fine with Patterson. IF, he has decided it is time. He has been reluctant to leave TCU. At one time i would have been fine with Wittingham when Utah was MWC. Utah has not been as strong since going to PAC12 competition. Would have concern about him raising the bar at an SEC school. Overall very good coach though IMO.
 
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brad37128 said:
Mullen>Frost but if these are the top two, FL gets first pick
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I'm not ready to just assume that. For one, the previous coach was ran out of town after winning two straight division titles. Yes I know they had cause, but let's get real here. They were looking for a reason to get rid of him. The pressure to win there is way WAY higher than it is here. Plus, while Florida is indeed a fertile recruiting state, you also have to compete with Florida State and a surging Miami. Not to mention all the outside programs looking to cherry pick from that state. We also outclass Florida in facilities. I'm not ready to just accept that Florida is a head and shoulders better place to coach than Tennessee is.
 
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GVF said:
Our perception is that we can just decide who we want, make an offer, and get who we want. And they would be stupid for turning us down. Some coaches put their school, administration, players, etc., above the dollar. See Gundy, Patterson, Mullen and probably a few others I couldn't pull off the top of my head. all have been at their current job long enough to jump ship to nicer offers. None have.
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Agree. This was definitely the perception in 2008. I was somewhat guilty of it myself at first back then till I realized how wrong I was.

I figured most people would see how coach transitions work by now. But there's still the idea that all we have to do is offer and we'd have our pick of whoever we want.

The landscape has changed. There's a lot more money out there than before. Smaller programs can pay their coaches as much as the big programs now. If a guy is making 4+million a year at a school where he's under no pressure to win his conference, then why leave for another school where he's under the microscope for slightly more money? Especially if he can use that job to get a bigger contract out of his current school.

Unless they have ties to a school or just want the challenge, it's probably going to be a candidate that is trying to make a name for himself.
 
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GVF said:
Unless Mullen pulls a Saban, and says he won't won't be coaching elsewhere, when in fact he plans to, then NO HE WILL NOT LEAVE MSU. I don't see Mullen as being that under the table. He could have already left MSU for nicer jobs if he had wanted such. Our perception is that we can just decide who we want, make an offer, and get who we want. And they would be stupid for turning us down. Some coaches put their school, administration, players, etc., above the dollar. See Gundy, Patterson, Mullen and probably a few others I couldn't pull off the top of my head. all have been at their current job long enough to jump ship to nicer offers. None have.


Bring on the Mad Hatter!!!!!
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Seriously?? Miles? The guy who who refused to change his offense? The guy who makes horrible game management decisions? The guy who could not keep from getting fired despite enough instate talent to stock his entire two deep with 4-5 star talent?

Let's not.
 
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TheDeeble said:
Agree. This was definitely the perception in 2008. I was somewhat guilty of it myself at first back then till I realized how wrong I was.

I figured most people would see how coach transitions work by now. But there's still the idea that all we have to do is offer and we'd have our pick of whoever we want.

The landscape has changed. There's a lot more money out there than before. Smaller programs can pay their coaches as much as the big programs now. If a guy is making 4+million a year at a school where he's under no pressure to win his conference, then why leave for another school where he's under the microscope for slightly more money? Especially if he can use that job to get a bigger contract out of his current school.

Unless they have ties to a school or just want the challenge, it's probably going to be a candidate that is trying to make a name for himself.
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there's a lot here i agree with, but one thing that's left out, in regards to our situation in 2009 and 2012 specifically, is that this program is in much better shape today than it was then.

a large part of the reason we got so many no's was two fold...Hard nor Hamilton handled the search process all that well for starters. and the program was simply not in very good shape.

i don't think we're on the cusp of winning the conf next year or the next or anything like that, but i think you could, if you're one of those really good coaches we want, look at the foundation that's there off the field (many, if not all of those issues now resolved-apr, title ix etc, etc, etc..), and a roster that does have a good bit of talent on it, and think you can get off to a faster start now, than you could 5-10 years ago.

it's not a complete rebuild. there's a frame, and some concrete........maybe some walls have been put up.:)
 
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One guy has no history and is like a first year stud QB; good coaches will catch up to him… The other guy does more with less and consistently fields competitive teams…

I’ll take the proven guy!
 
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Mullen is a good coach. I just don't see him as great. If we get him, I hope I am wrong.

Frosty is more of a gamble, but I really like the guy. He seems to have that killer instinct and swagger that all great coaches have. I like his offense and he has been impressive in the way he has built up UCF in such a short period of time.

Kelly is still my top choice, but doesn't look like that is going to happen.

If UF gets Frost or Kelly I am very concerned. If they end up with Mullen, I think they got a good coach, but it just doesn't concern me as much.
 
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FBtime said:
Seriously?? Miles? The guy who who refused to change his offense? The guy who makes horrible game management decisions? The guy who could not keep from getting fired despite enough instate talent to stock his entire two deep with 4-5 star talent?

Let's not.
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Yep. Miles. Feel it. Would be good fit. Good coach. won at the highest levels, in the SEC. Smart enough to have seen the error of his ways, and has admitted publicly,and would adjust what he needs to to update.
 
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If you picked Frost given Mullens's experience and our current need for a proven leader, then you truthfully have no clue.
 
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AlumniChase said:
If you picked Frost given Mullens's experience and our current need for a proven leader, then you truthfully have no clue.
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nah. that's not exactly the case. Frost has "it". he is younger, he doesn't have a decade as a proven head coach.

no arguments. but he has won at the highest levels at every stop he's made, either as a player or as a coach.

the guy knows what championship level football programs look like....and he's just one of those guys you look at and just know...he gets it. and when he lands at a P5 program like a TN or FL, he's probably going to do very well.
 
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jakez4ut said:
nah. that's not exactly the case. Frost has "it". he is younger, he doesn't have a decade as a proven head coach.

no arguments. but he has won at the highest levels at every stop he's made, either as a player or as a coach.

the guy knows what championship level football programs look like....and he's just one of those guys you look at and just know...he gets it. and when he lands at a P5 program like a TN or FL, he's probably going to do very well.
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I agree with this. Mullen is a solid coach and I'd be happy to have him but Frost has a higher upside. Similar to investing, do you go with solid blue chip or the small tech stock with a hot idea?
 
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Bottom line is either would be good hires as far as we know. I like the fact Mullen has coached in the SEC. Butch was clearly not ready after coming from lesser conferences. Seeing how Frost finishes this year will tell us a lot about his ability to coach in big games. He will likely get a high profile bowl game against a good opponent.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I agree with this. Mullen is a solid coach and I'd be happy to have him but Frost has a higher upside. Similar to investing, do you go with solid blue chip or the small tech stock with a hot idea?
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Based on what?!?!? Because he's done well at Central Florida for 1-1/2 seasons? Mullen had freaking Mississippi State ranked #1 in the country for two weeks at one time while in the same division as Bama and LSU! I'm not saying Frost won't be a great coach but he's a much greater unknown than Mullen is. Where are you getting that he has a greater upside?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Based on what?!?!? Because he's done well at Central Florida for 1-1/2 seasons? Mullen had freaking Mississippi State ranked #1 in the country for two weeks at one time while in the same division as Bama and LSU! I'm not saying Frost won't be a great coach but he's a much greater unknown than Mullen is. Where are you getting that he has a greater upside?
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Just my opinion but more innovative offense, better recruiting nationwide. No one knows but he's intriguing.
 
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Mullen is like 2-32 against top 25 teams and pooped his pants there at the end of that Bama game. Frost has that IT factor, you can tell already without the long resume. Bring me Frost.
 
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He @ESPNRittenberg said on the show that Nebraska has made it's intentions known to the folks at UCF that they want Scott Frost. #Huskers
 
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