Scott Frost or Dan Mullen??

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TheDeeble said:
Franklin was 8-9 against the East in the three seasons he was head coach at Vanderbilt.

17-32. That's Mullen's current record against the SEC West in his 9 years as head coach at Miss St.

Franklin won 49% of his games against the East. Mullen won 34% of his games against the West. Not sure where you're going with this.
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the west is a lot harder than the east. and he's at MSU, not Auburn or LSU.

in the correct context, Mullen has done a very good, to great, job in Starkville.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Another question. Does Mullen really want to leave Miss State or is Sexton just trying to get him another raise?
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that's the thing....isn't it? personally, i have my doubts. i don't think he wants to go back to FL. doesn't mean he wouldn't...but i'm not sure he's #1 on their list anyway, as some might like you to believe....

mullen has it made in starkville. so it'll be interesting to see what, if any, traction is really there, for them or us.
 
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jakez4ut said:
that's the thing....isn't it? personally, i have my doubts. i don't think he wants to go back to FL. doesn't mean he wouldn't...but i'm not sure he's #1 on their list anyway, as some might like you to believe....

mullen has it made in starkville. so it'll be interesting to see what, if any, traction is really there, for them or us.
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Let's get real here though. The question is why WOULDN'T Mullen want to leave?

Starkville is a ****hole and so is that university! Dan Mullen will NEVER win championships there because he's at too much of a disadvantage. If he's a coach with any ambition at all (and considering how young he is, I'll bet he is), and wants to make his mark as a college football coach, he should jump at the chance at coming to UT! Our facilities are second to none! Our fan base/support is second to none! He will get a SUBSTANTIAL pay increase to come here! He'll have one of the highest recruiting budgets in the country to work with! Knoxville is orders of magnitude a better place to live than Starkville! Plus, he's coming into a program that HAS talent! The cupboard is not bare! It's not like he'd be coming in, facing a major rebuilding job.

I mean, what more could he ask for? Anybody thinking Mullen would PREFER to stay in Starkville as opposed to coming here doesn't recognize just how awesome this place is.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Let's get real here though. The question is why WOULDN'T Mullen want to leave?

Starkville is a ****hole and so is that university! Dan Mullen will NEVER win championships there because he's at too much of a disadvantage. If he's a coach with any ambition at all (and considering how young he is, I'll bet he is), and wants to make his mark as a college football coach, he should jump at the chance at coming to UT! Our facilities are second to none! Our fan base/support is second to none! He will get a SUBSTANTIAL pay increase to come here! He'll have one of the highest recruiting budgets in the country to work with! Plus, he's coming into a program that HAS talent! The cupboard is not bare!

I mean, what more could he ask for? Anybody thinking Mullen would PREFER to stay in Starkville as opposed to coming here doesn't recognize just how awesome this place is.
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ok, that's all warm and fuzzy...but for 4.5m/year, i could make Starkville feel like Las Vegas.:)

and we don't know what his ambitions are, really. that's part of the process that has to be worked out.

if he is that ambitious though, then i would think he'd be inclined to go back to FL where he knows he's coached heisman trophy winning qb's and won conf and national titles.

the biggest complication that exists in this search is having FL looking at the same time. you know we're looking at the same pool of coaches....

you have two 1st year AD's, with the new signing period to deal with, and no one that anyone could point to and just say "yep, that's HIM". these two guys have their work cut out for them, and the hires they make are going to be compared with each other as long as they're employed, and every year we play each other.

and God forbid if any information ever leaks about who landed where, and why.......
 
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jakez4ut said:
ok, that's all warm and fuzzy...but for 4.5m/year, i could make Starkville feel like Las Vegas.:)

and we don't know what his ambitions are, really. that's part of the process that has to be worked out.

if he is that ambitious though, then i would think he'd be inclined to go back to FL where he knows he's coached heisman trophy winning qb's and won conf and national titles.

the biggest complication that exists in this search is having FL looking at the same time. you know we're looking at the same pool of coaches....

you have two 1st year AD's, with the new signing period to deal with, and no one that anyone could point to and just say "yep, that's HIM". these two guys have their work cut out for them, and the hires they make are going to be compared with each other as long as they're employed, and every year we play each other.

and God forbid if any information ever leaks about who landed where, and why.......
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I also remember hearing a while back that his wife really likes it there.
 
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BigOrangeD said:
Posted this is another thread but fits here also:

I prefer Dan Mullen.

Currently is a head coach in the tough SEC West.

Coached mostly 3*s and hung with Bama all 4 quarters. Give him some 4 star talent and see what he does.

Knows how to coach QBs and develop talent.

Good man that has his sh!t together.

He's already demonstrated what he can do with a talented offense at Florida.

Nuff said.

With that said, I sure would not be unhappy with Frost.
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Brings a established D Coordinator with him also
 
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jakez4ut said:
ok, that's all warm and fuzzy...but for 4.5m/year, i could make Starkville feel like Las Vegas.:)

and we don't know what his ambitions are, really. that's part of the process that has to be worked out.

if he is that ambitious though, then i would think he'd be inclined to go back to FL where he knows he's coached heisman trophy winning qb's and won conf and national titles.

the biggest complication that exists in this search is having FL looking at the same time. you know we're looking at the same pool of coaches....

you have two 1st year AD's, with the new signing period to deal with, and no one that anyone could point to and just say "yep, that's HIM". these two guys have their work cut out for them, and the hires they make are going to be compared with each other as long as they're employed, and every year we play each other.

and God forbid if any information ever leaks about who landed where, and why.......
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And for 8-9 million a year, Mullen could make Knoxville feel like Dubai, LOL!

Warm and fuzzy or not, nothing I said wasn't true in terms of comparing Knoxville to Starkville and UT to Mississippi State. Of course none of us know what's going on in Dan Mullen's head. I'm just looking at it logically and when comparing the two jobs, it's a no-brainer. You may very well be right and Mullen may be content with staying in Starkville. I just think we are selling ourselves WAYYYY short in thinking we don't have a chance to get him.
 
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I wouldn't be mad if we hired Frost. I think he would do well, but leaves when the Nebraska job opens up again in a few years. If Frost comes here (or goes to UF), I could easily see Mullen taking his place at UCF.
 
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I really think Frost is the first name on the list. JMO.

Of all coaches currently coaching that are attainable he would be my #1 as well.
 
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superdave1984 said:
I wouldn't be mad if we hired Frost. I think he would do well, but leaves when the Nebraska job opens up again in a few years. If Frost comes here (or goes to UF), I could easily see Mullen taking his place at UCF.
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Why in the name of all that is holy would Mullen go to UCF?

Also, I am not sure that Nebraska holds any allure for Frost due to the current recruiting conditions.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Why in the name of all that is holy would Mullen go to UCF?

Also, I am not sure that Nebraska holds any allure for Frost due to the current recruiting conditions.
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Agreed. The recruiting climate at Nebraska is way worse than in Tennessee now. Plus I don't think Frost has the allegiance to Nebraska that people think. People need to remember, Nebraska was NOT Frost's first choice coming out of high school. He chose to go to Stanford over Nebraska to play under Bill Walsh. He only transferred back to Nebraska after Bill Walsh stepped down from coaching.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Let's get real here though. The question is why WOULDN'T Mullen want to leave?

Starkville is a ****hole and so is that university! Dan Mullen will NEVER win championships there because he's at too much of a disadvantage. If he's a coach with any ambition at all (and considering how young he is, I'll bet he is), and wants to make his mark as a college football coach, he should jump at the chance at coming to UT! Our facilities are second to none! Our fan base/support is second to none! He will get a SUBSTANTIAL pay increase to come here! He'll have one of the highest recruiting budgets in the country to work with! Knoxville is orders of magnitude a better place to live than Starkville! Plus, he's coming into a program that HAS talent! The cupboard is not bare! It's not like he'd be coming in, facing a major rebuilding job.

I mean, what more could he ask for? Anybody thinking Mullen would PREFER to stay in Starkville as opposed to coming here doesn't recognize just how awesome this place is.[/QUOT


The question is...DID YOU WATCH BAMA/MSU and pay attention to the commentators response to questions posed to Mullen about open jobs. Prob particularly the FL job. He stated people always assume he is looking for another job. He said he loved it at MSU and was completely happy there. unless their salary is well below the poverty line, money may not be the talking point. His salary in starkville is equivalent to double that anywhere else.
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He makes almost 5 million per year.

I doubt many schools are going to make a significant bump in salary.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
And for 8-9 million a year, Mullen could make Knoxville feel like Dubai, LOL!

Warm and fuzzy or not, nothing I said wasn't true in terms of comparing Knoxville to Starkville and UT to Mississippi State. Of course none of us know what's going on in Dan Mullen's head. I'm just looking at it logically and when comparing the two jobs, it's a no-brainer. You may very well be right and Mullen may be content with staying in Starkville. I just think we are selling ourselves WAYYYY short in thinking we don't have a chance to get him.
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i know Knoxville > Starkville, agree. the point is what is Mullen's perspective and world view. that's all that really matters when discussing him as a candidate.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Agreed. The recruiting climate at Nebraska is way worse than in Tennessee now. Plus I don't think Frost has the allegiance to Nebraska that people think. People need to remember, Nebraska was NOT Frost's first choice coming out of high school. He chose to go to Stanford over Nebraska to play under Bill Walsh. He only transferred back to Nebraska after Bill Walsh stepped down from coaching.
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I think he sees himself as being able to do at Nebraska what Gundy did at his alma mater, OK St.
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
I think he sees himself as being able to do at Nebraska what Gundy did at his alma mater, OK St.
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i think he's aiming higher than being a fringe top 10 team, and conf runner up. don't get me wrong, that's not a slight on Gundy and Ok St. that's a solid job he's done, and OK St is as consistent a program as there's been lately. they just haven't gotten over that hump.

i think Frost looks at NE similarly, there's a ceiling there. there's not at a place like TN, and there's certainly not at a place like FL.
 
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Mullen's agent will use all these job openings to get another million added to his salary---he's likely set in starkville---no pressure, win 8-9 games and he's a hero.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
Why in the name of all that is holy would Mullen go to UCF?

Also, I am not sure that Nebraska holds any allure for Frost due to the current recruiting conditions.
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I think Mullen would go to have a legit shot at conference championships. Which is not happening where he is now.

I had forgotten Frost started out at Stanford, interesting that he may not have the loyalty to Nebraska that one might expect.
 
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VolsRule said:
Mullen's agent will use all these job openings to get another million added to his salary---he's likely set in starkville---no pressure, win 8-9 games and he's a hero.
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eh, i don't know how much MSU can really come off the hip, other than to extend him again.

and that may be all Mullen wants. who knows.
 
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Mullen just wants a raise. That is why FL is going after Kelly first. We will have to pick from Taggert, Norvell, Brohm, Durkin. Hopefully Swain was indicating that the established P5 that has reached out is Whittingham, Fitzgerald, or Patterson.
 
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jakez4ut said:
eh, i don't know how much MSU can really come off the hip, other than to extend him again.

and that may be all Mullen wants. who knows.
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Unless Mullen pulls a Saban, and says he won't won't be coaching elsewhere, when in fact he plans to, then NO HE WILL NOT LEAVE MSU. I don't see Mullen as being that under the table. He could have already left MSU for nicer jobs if he had wanted such. Our perception is that we can just decide who we want, make an offer, and get who we want. And they would be stupid for turning us down. Some coaches put their school, administration, players, etc., above the dollar. See Gundy, Patterson, Mullen and probably a few others I couldn't pull off the top of my head. all have been at their current job long enough to jump ship to nicer offers. None have.


Bring on the Mad Hatter!!!!!
 
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Glocker_Alum_2005 said:
Mullen just wants a raise. That is why FL is going after Kelly first. We will have to pick from Taggert, Norvell, Brohm, Durkin. Hopefully Swain was indicating that the established P5 that has reached out is Whittingham, Fitzgerald, or Patterson.
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Patterson is who I wanted the last time.

Another one I would LOVE to get is Shaw at Stanford. I doubt he'd come here but damn if I don't like his coaching style!
 
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