Sapp issues statement

#106
#106
lifeVol said:
we may never know the truth on this, but either way it doesn't look good
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With Jones at the helm UT could pull that stuff off but I don't see it happening under CP. Definitely a mis-communication because you would expect either the HC or one of two position coaches to know if a player is good to go or not. Their stories contradict now meaning one of the two is being untruthful. Sapp should know by the 4th game if you don't practice during the week you are likely not to be starting under CP. That's just the way it is and you could say it's his policy though not etched in stone. Sapp could have been peed off because someone started over him but it's not fair to speculate or assume. I do find it hard to believe that if Sapp was injured surely one coach should know so I'm not buying that. As the many things that occur on UT's sideline through the years any altercation/skirmish is surely gonna be noticed by someone or on camera so why lie? Pruitt had enough disraction to deal with already in this game and I'm sure he wasn't into any extra and unnecessary B/S being piled on to serve as another drama based distraction. He's truly not used to seeing that kind of poor play and it's hard telling what he could have been thinking. I've posted a lot today and I'm fully supportive of CP.I do feel he is genuinely concerned about the welfare of our players but he's by no means soft and I doubt he's ever gonna be. He's put a lot of players in the pros and I've yet to hear one of them speak negatively about him. The more I pay attention to his rebuild here's what I feel he's looking to do. He wants a deep roster and when he does chose to insert a 2nd teamer there's not that much of drop-off in athletic ability at least in the two deep. But sadly UT isn't developed a good one deep as of now indicating how far he has to go. I wouldn't go pounding my chest as a fan banking on what was at UT as a fan either because what was is no longer and it's gonna get to the point when the UT fanbase continues being critical of every coach that any decent well-intentioned coach isn't gonna want any part of this mess. Any player recruited by CBJ and having spent a year in that system is currently uncoachable meaning that before you can coach them properly, you 1st have to uncoach them which requires double the work.
 
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orange parmejohn said:
Pruitt was probably dressing the kid down pretty good and another coach pulled him away. I doubt Pruitt was going to get physical with the kid.
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We already have video of Pruitt hitting a player on the sideline. Granted, open hand to the chest, but a hard hit nonetheless.
 
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JCHateSteve said:
Normally I would agree, but we have conflicting statements from Pruitt and Sapp. There's definitely some smoke there.
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I would tend to believe Pruitt. It seems Lyle Jones'splayers have a pattern of back talking and quitting. Lyle only accommodated them. He never made them man up.
 
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happy-go_vol said:
I would tend to believe Pruitt. It seems Lyle Jones'splayers have a pattern of back talking and quitting. Lyle only accommodated them. He never made them man up.
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I have no idea at this point. There was some stuff behind the scenes that seemed to be totally on Botch when he was here. I'm reserving judgment. Hopefully it really is just blown out of proportion.
 
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McDad said:
This is bad all around. Dirty laundry aired out in public after a miscommunication means trouble inside.
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We'll move past it quickly. Emotions in motion nothing meant. Just wish one of our biggest players would have snatched JG up and curled his azz after that INT but that wasn't all. Maybe we learn from this but we seem to be lacking in discipline, toughness, and athletic ability. When you beat the 130 ranked team just 24-0 the week prior and have turnovers and penalties in that game you should be able to judge what's gonna happen when you face opponents in the top 20, not meaning UF but those upcoming games.
 
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#118
Love the speculation without all the facts, but since we are speculating. Could it be possible the kid issued a statement to make himself look good, and have this play out in the eyes of the media? The media will never come down on a student athlete like they would a coach. Given all the drama last year and these still being Butch's recruits could it be that certain players could be the issue? Butch did not recruit character, he recruited stars only, no matter the positions he needed.
 
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VolEngineer said:
No, not like that. But in the middle of one of the craziest games i think ive ever seen i could see if a coach or other player seen part of what had happened or something and told Pruitt and him not knowing the whole story went with it. Their stories are too different for there not to be some miscommunication here. No one here so far has any video proof or seen anything that shows someone being restrained or even Quarte leaving.
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He was seen leaving by a poster sitting in Y-9 who said he motioned for his mom to come down as he was entering the tunnel. There's a whole 'nother thread about this ignorance.
 
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#122
volfannbama said:
When you are in a position of leadership, public comments on a situation where you dont know the whole story are usually not a good idea
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I will go out on a limb here and say that CJP knew the situation or he wouldn't have made an on-the-spot decision or post game comment.
 
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tbones0711 said:
With Jones at the helm UT could pull that stuff off but I don't see it happening under CP. Definitely a mis-communication because you would expect either the HC or one of two position coaches to know if a player is good to go or not. Their stories contradict now meaning one of the two is being untruthful. Sapp should know by the 4th game if you don't practice during the week you are likely not to be starting under CP. That's just the way it is and you could say it's his policy though not etched in stone. Sapp could have been peed off because someone started over him but it's not fair to speculate or assume. I do find it hard to believe that if Sapp was injured surely one coach should know so I'm not buying that. As the many things that occur on UT's sideline through the years any altercation/skirmish is surely gonna be noticed by someone or on camera so why lie? Pruitt had enough disraction to deal with already in this game and I'm sure he wasn't into any extra and unnecessary B/S being piled on to serve as another drama based distraction. He's truly not used to seeing that kind of poor play and it's hard telling what he could have been thinking. I've posted a lot today and I'm fully supportive of CP.I do feel he is genuinely concerned about the welfare of our players but he's by no means soft and I doubt he's ever gonna be. He's put a lot of players in the pros and I've yet to hear one of them speak negatively about him. The more I pay attention to his rebuild here's what I feel he's looking to do. He wants a deep roster and when he does chose to insert a 2nd teamer there's not that much of drop-off in athletic ability at least in the two deep. But sadly UT isn't developed a good one deep as of now indicating how far he has to go. I wouldn't go pounding my chest as a fan banking on what was at UT as a fan either because what was is no longer and it's gonna get to the point when the UT fanbase continues being critical of every coach that any decent well-intentioned coach isn't gonna want any part of this mess. Any player recruited by CBJ and having spent a year in that system is currently uncoachable meaning that before you can coach them properly, you 1st have to uncoach them which requires double the work.
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pretty much agree, well said
 
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#125
weirdfishes said:
I remember all the crap Jalen Hurd got, even from me and now in retrospect I wonder how much of it was Butch's fault. This time around I am choosing to not take sides because no one knows the full story. I'm just sick that I've become this apathetic over Tennessee Football. It feels like the team of my childhood is never coming back.
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The Hurd incident started at halftime in Athens,Ga. as a result of Hurd "showboating" going into the endzone. Prior to reaching the endzone he slowed some not knowing he was about to get his bell rung plus cough up the ball and not getting the TD. Jones got him off to the side in locker room at halftime and chewed his azz out. Hurd when ask to go in in 3rd qtr. said no and told Jones UT couldn't win without him. Jones covered for him or himself by saying he felt Hurd was concussed mildly although Hurd did re-enter game and caught TD pass and took ball to Jones when the statement was made. Practice was bad that week and Hurd wouldn't let it go holding it against Jones for lying to him after bowl game win because Hurd knew he wasn't good fit for Jones' RPO system and wanted to transfer to power running school. Jones then mislead Jalen saying he would install some power-I formations.
Bad events unfolded during practice prior to the T A-M game that I'm not comfortable repeating here. They occurred in front of the whole team or part of the team saw it so I don't feel it's any big secret. Jones didn't allow Hurd to travel with team to Texas. Hurd "got even" if you want to call it that during the USCe game when he refused to go in.CFA went in and DeBord called his # on the 1st play resulting in a fumble. UT also lost that game and team meeting was called where players felt they had seen enough and Hurd was asked to leave the team.
The point being made is this divides the team. Doesn't matter who's at fault or to what degree just that a tiny spark can become a towering inferno if it isn't attended to and addressed ASAP. Every Vol fan should be well aware of what the results were. Losing to both SC and Vandy cost UT the east title and trip to Atlanta and a Sugar Bowl bid as well. Some good cash right out the window because a coach jumps a player. Could have just as easily patted him on the back and told him to shake it off we'll get'em next time. Would have had better results,IMO. These are very young men and in many cases come from respectful families where their own parents don't chew 'em out or belittle them publicly much less lie to them. Jones knew Hurd, who could have easily set the all-time rushing mark at UT, transferring would be a bad reflection. It's always good to walk in another's shoes and see their point before making any type of judgement. In this case one millionaire vs. another potential millionaire.
Jalen had gone to south Florida in the Ft. Lauderdale area to work out with NFL pro players after his 1st bowl game. After his 2nd bowl game he went again and took Kamara with him. I feel he was well intentioned young man. He didn't like the offensive scheme because Jones was using him as the bread and butter and continually pounded him into the LOS. I think he was concerned about his health and his durability in the tough SEC and always the lingering thought that Jones mislead him. Hopefully Pruitt or Sapp don't offer up any explaination at all and sweep it under a rug and there's nothing to it. We may never know the total truth but those two need to find common ground just because of what I just posted and the overflow of a bad situation having an impact on the entire team just like the 1st domino falling leading to collapse of all the dominos.
 
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