Russia Blocks Kerch Strait

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Velo Vol said:
Anyone got the lowdown on this nuclear treaty brouhaha?
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US claims that RF building more ballistic missiles....RF alleges that US missiles in Europe are offensive weapons to be used against RF and not defensive weapons protecting Europe...

US threatening to pull out of INF in 60 days if RF doesn’t comply...
 
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Velo Vol said:
Are these new missiles?
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The 9M729 Iskander is a short range ICBM that was developed in the 1990s. It is subject to the IMF so the Russians gave up on it until 2014 when they developed the new version SSC-8 R-500 Iskander-K which they want to go military wide by 2020. The R-500 Iskander-K was deployed to Kaliningrad which has put at least 5 NATO members in its range.
 
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Pacer92 said:
US claims that RF building more ballistic missiles....RF alleges that US missiles in Europe are offensive weapons to be used against RF and not defensive weapons protecting Europe...

US threatening to pull out of INF in 60 days if RF doesn’t comply...
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The U.S. does not have any offense ballistic missiles in Europe. We only have MLRs batteries in Europe.
 
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carlos86 said:
The 9M729 Iskander is a short range ICBM that was developed in the 1990s. It is subject to the IMF so the Russians gave up on it until 2014 when they developed the new version SSC-8 R-500 Iskander-K which they want to go military wide by 2020. The R-500 Iskander-K was deployed to Kaliningrad which has put at least 5 NATO members in its range.
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Pompeo can visit Russian ‘cheating’ missile test & see that it complies with INF – senator

US State Secretary Mike Pompeo can easily find out that Moscow strictly abides by the INF nuclear missile treaty the US is threatening to quit – by taking up an invitation to the test of the Russian missile, a Moscow senator says.
The symbolic invite from the head of the Russian Senate’s defense and security committee came right after Pompeo declared Russia “in violation” of the landmark Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty (INF) and announced that the US will withdraw from it in 60 days if Moscow’s behavior does not change.
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carlos86 said:
So we have a defensive anti ballistic missile system in Poland. We do not believe in using nuclear weapons as a first strike capabilitiy unlike the Russians.
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You are a comedian. You should take your act on the road. Russia has zero history of even using a nuke on an enemy at anytime, much less as a first strike option. Yet, you come in here and suggest that the US is pristine in this area.

Also, there are plenty of people in the Beltway that have war gamed a first strike scenario with Russia and feel encouraged enough to support such actions.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are a comedian. You should take your act on the road. Russia has zero history of even using a nuke on an enemy at anytime, much less as a first strike option. Yet, you come in here and suggest that the US is pristine in this area.

Also, there are plenty of people in the Beltway that have war gamed a first strike scenario with Russia and feel encouraged enough to support such actions.
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Current Russian military doctrine (Ivanov Doctrine) states that in case of a ground war with NATO De-escalation of aggression is forcing the enemy to halt military action by a threat to deliver or by actual delivery of strikes of varying intensity with reliance on conventional and (or) nuclear weapons.” This strategy allows for the first use of nuclear weapons in limited conventional warfare. The official policy of the United States of America is that we do not use nuclear weapons as a first strike and do not use them in conventional warfare. Since 2013 Russian military strategy toward NATO and the U.S. is the first strike use of tactical nuclear weapons.
 
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carlos86 said:
Current Russian military doctrine (Ivanov Doctrine) states that in case of a ground war with NATO De-escalation of aggression is forcing the enemy to halt military action by a threat to deliver or by actual delivery of strikes of varying intensity with reliance on conventional and (or) nuclear weapons.” This strategy allows for the first use of nuclear weapons in limited conventional warfare. The official policy of the United States of America is that we do not use nuclear weapons as a first strike and do not use them in conventional warfare. Since 2013 Russian military strategy toward NATO and the U.S. is the first strike use of tactical nuclear weapons.
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But we have used them, before, right?

It is harder to make an argument that we should fear Russia of using nukes (when they have no history of doing so), yet be relaxed at the thought of the US using nukes, when we've used them twice during a conventional war.
 
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carlos86 said:
Current Russian military doctrine (Ivanov Doctrine) states that in case of a ground war with NATO De-escalation of aggression is forcing the enemy to halt military action by a threat to deliver or by actual delivery of strikes of varying intensity with reliance on conventional and (or) nuclear weapons.” This strategy allows for the first use of nuclear weapons in limited conventional warfare. The official policy of the United States of America is that we do not use nuclear weapons as a first strike and do not use them in conventional warfare. Since 2013 Russian military strategy toward NATO and the U.S. is the first strike use of tactical nuclear weapons.
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So, defensive launchers can’t be swapped for offensive launchers?

Also, Russian head of defense invited Pompeo to personally come inspect missiles that are in question...seems to me that the Russians want dialogue over the matter...
 
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carlos86 said:
Current Russian military doctrine (Ivanov Doctrine) states that in case of a ground war with NATO De-escalation of aggression is forcing the enemy to halt military action by a threat to deliver or by actual delivery of strikes of varying intensity with reliance on conventional and (or) nuclear weapons.” This strategy allows for the first use of nuclear weapons in limited conventional warfare. The official policy of the United States of America is that we do not use nuclear weapons as a first strike and do not use them in conventional warfare. Since 2013 Russian military strategy toward NATO and the U.S. is the first strike use of tactical nuclear weapons.
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That doesn't indicate first strike doctrine. It clearly states after a conflict with NATO has begun. That would be a defensive posture by Russia.

The way to avoid such a scenario is for NATO to work to the best of their ability to not get into a war with Russia and try to de-escalate tensions, instead of being provocative and destabilizing neighboring countries and place ballistic missiles around Russia's border.
 
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Velo Vol said:
What makes the fact that a country did something 70 years ago any more or less likely that it will do it now? All the people involved in the prior decision are dead.
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Just about all of the key players involved in the Cold War are dead in Russia, also. Yet, we still treat them with a Cold War mentality. That country was destroyed in the 1990s after 70 years of communism and had to rebuild itself. Millions of people died in the process from starvation, alcoholism and stress related conditions. Those people that were able to come out on the other side have no desire to stir up a war of nuclear annihilation.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Just about all of the key players involved in the Cold War are dead in Russia, also.
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Oh?

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And its actions in Ukraine suggest it hasn't left the Cold War behind.
 
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