Rumors floating about - Tim Jordan

[joevol33]

Once again I said "too many fans", if you took that personal you need to look at yourself not me. Did you take too many personally? If I were a new fan would I be talking about participation trophies and instant gratification that fans now seek? I don't think so. I have been a season ticket holder since the days of Bill Battle. Kind of disqualifies me from being a new fan.
Sorry if you took my comment too personal but if you are not one that I mentioned you probably didn't need to defend yourself.

Your post seemed to paint us all with a broad brush. I do apologize if i misunderstood it. I'm just of the belief that we have a legit reason to be upset.

 

[DiderotsGhost]

The biggest problem for Jordan is that he's not a dynamic playmaker and he needs a strong O-line to run behind to pick up yards. While our O-line has improved this season, the run blocking is still below-average. It's hurt Jordan a lot; much more so than it's hurt Chandler and Gray.

However, the other problem is that Jordan isn't really a starting or backup RB at most P5 programs. He'd probably have to go to a G5 program to get a lot of playing time.

I put him in that same category as CFA as a guy who is good enough to get playing time at Tennessee right now, but not good enough to be RB1 or RB2 at most P5 programs.

 

[GAVol]

That's not entirely true. Grad transfers can play right away, but any other player would need a waiver to avoid sitting out however many games they played at their previous school.

Didn't realize players still had to sit however many games they participated in the year before. Still, the bigger point is that as of last year they don't have to automatically sit an entire year.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Nothing substantial, but a rumor of him transferring is being discussed on both TOS’s.

 

[McDad]

No, and that's the biggest reason that Pruitt and other first-year coaches haven't run off as many kids as coaches did in the past.

Simple explanation: Everyone talks about the 25 signee rule, but there are actually TWO 25 rules.

1. The one everyone knows about, the 25 signees each class. You can't sign more than 25 players, high school or JuCo to a scholarship in a recruiting cycle. There is some flexibility here with backcounting, blueshirts, etc. But this isn't the one that hampers program building.

2. The 25 initial counter rule. Any player that comes into your program on scholarship, whether it's by signing out of high school, JuCo, or transfer, is what the NCAA calls an "initial counter." At the same time they clarified the 25 signee rule, they put this rule in place to curb the creative accounting that coaches tried to use to build programs quickly. You can only bring 25 new initial counters to your school in a calendar year. So from January 1 with early enrolees to May, June and August, you can only bring in 25 new scholarship players. There is only one exception, which I'll get to in a minute.

The rule was put in place to prevent new coaches from coming in, cutting a bunch of guys and then finding a way around the rules to sign 35 *cough*Butch Jones*cough*. It was done in the name of protecting student-athletes. The problem is the transfer portal has left programs with more openings than the 25 counter rule allows them to fill. Because of the number UT signed this year, they couldn't bring in a grad transfer unless he was a walk-on like the QB from Maryland.

This is the rule that screwed Kansas over and has kept them down for years. Charlie Weiss filled his classes with JuCo kids and the last coach took over a roster with 40-something scholarship players and half of them were upperclassmen. It wasn't mathematically possible for him to have a full roster of 85 until his 4th year, and that was only if he signed full classes of freshmen and they all stayed.

The only exception to this rule is awarding scholarships to walk-ons. The problem there is that a walk-on has to have been on campus for two calendar years before being awarded a scholarship to not count against your 25 initial counters. There are no other loopholes to be exploited.

So now, you're seeing coaches give players that they would have run off in the past a second chance to avoid playing with a short roster.

Thank you.

 

[jarnol32]

He’s not an sec back. Good luck.

 

[McDad]

That's not entirely true. Grad transfers can play right away, but any other player would need a waiver to avoid sitting out however many games they played at their previous school.

Have these rules protected players as intended?

Are the new 25 counter rules making things easier for top programs to stay at the top?

 

[ptcarter]

I agree with that. Too many fans that know everything and I am willing to bet 90% never played a down of organized football in their lives. Add on the fact that we live in an age where everyone gets a trophy and demands instant gratification and you have a bunch of whiners.

Tennessee, since the Vanderbilt game in 2016, has an SEC record of 2-18. Instant isn’t what most are looking for. Gratification, yes. Too late for instant.

 

[1TheCoach1]

Tennessee, since the Vanderbilt game in 2016, has an SEC record of 2-18. Instant isn’t what most are looking for. Gratification, yes. Too late for instant.

When a new coach has barely started his 2nd year coming into a completely destroyed by the previous coach and they are wanting the new coach fired, they are looking for instant gratification.

 

[SteensVol]

There are several guys contemplating making a move right now. None from the freshman/sophomore classes, from what I've heard.

Thanks for the info. Hope you are right.
There is a certain correctness to every post on here! We should support our team and coaches fully. This is not the nfl, this is a college based league and university function more than nfl “career”. Hope all these young men find success and do whats best for them.

Its also ok to hope, prod, expect good teams to show up. Its called competition. You win or you lose. Rewards and glory or criticism is the results. But it needs to be kept in perspective. I for one don’t expect to be the Clemson Tigers this year. But I want to see some progress, some improvements both in efforts and results. We have not seen much of that thus far. I expect better coaching! I expect effort... and if those are present we should be improving, not seeing that just yet but I am hopeful we can keep a team together and a staff I thought was good coaches and increase by bringing in some additional talent and young men who want to compete and win.
I am afraid this year will be a test of mental toughness as well. Here’s to the young men who fight through adversity and prevail, as those will have achieved something few can claim, building a team and reviving a proud program. Those who don’t I wish you no ill will either, but don’t expect the same gratitude and honor as those who do.
Go Vols!

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

No, and that's the biggest reason that Pruitt and other first-year coaches haven't run off as many kids as coaches did in the past.

Simple explanation: Everyone talks about the 25 signee rule, but there are actually TWO 25 rules.

1. The one everyone knows about, the 25 signees each class. You can't sign more than 25 players, high school or JuCo to a scholarship in a recruiting cycle. There is some flexibility here with backcounting, blueshirts, etc. But this isn't the one that hampers program building.

2. The 25 initial counter rule. Any player that comes into your program on scholarship, whether it's by signing out of high school, JuCo, or transfer, is what the NCAA calls an "initial counter." At the same time they clarified the 25 signee rule, they put this rule in place to curb the creative accounting that coaches tried to use to build programs quickly. You can only bring 25 new initial counters to your school in a calendar year. So from January 1 with early enrolees to May, June and August, you can only bring in 25 new scholarship players. There is only one exception, which I'll get to in a minute.

The rule was put in place to prevent new coaches from coming in, cutting a bunch of guys and then finding a way around the rules to sign 35 *cough*Butch Jones*cough*. It was done in the name of protecting student-athletes. The problem is the transfer portal has left programs with more openings than the 25 counter rule allows them to fill. Because of the number UT signed this year, they couldn't bring in a grad transfer unless he was a walk-on like the QB from Maryland.

This is the rule that screwed Kansas over and has kept them down for years. Charlie Weiss filled his classes with JuCo kids and the last coach took over a roster with 40-something scholarship players and half of them were upperclassmen. It wasn't mathematically possible for him to have a full roster of 85 until his 4th year, and that was only if he signed full classes of freshmen and they all stayed.

The only exception to this rule is awarding scholarships to walk-ons. The problem there is that a walk-on has to have been on campus for two calendar years before being awarded a scholarship to not count against your 25 initial counters. There are no other loopholes to be exploited.

So now, you're seeing coaches give players that they would have run off in the past a second chance to avoid playing with a short roster.

Hubbs said these rules have made it very difficult to jump start a rebuild. Butch signed 60 his first two classes. Pruitt only 48.

 

[JAL]

I really like Jordan's game. He is our most physical RB. I never thought he got enough PT. To be honest, I wouldn't blame him one bit for transferring.

 

[ptcarter]

When a new coach has barely started his 2nd year coming into a completely destroyed by the previous coach and they are wanting the new coach fired, they are looking for instant gratification.

So what’s the path to at least being “bowl eligible” ? I don’t see a quick fix for this dilemma. Is Pruitt in over his head? Many here are seeing that not having the team ready to play Georgia State on day one cost him good will and rightfully raised scrutiny.
You could argue a couple of plays going our way, and you can name them, like the blown coverage at the end of BYU, could have us at maybe 2-2. Thing is, it’s getting to where those plays I’m talking about are coming more frequently and occur in almost each possession. Those of us that haven’t played a down, but watch a lot of football have the perception that improvements are not coming fast. Players still missing assignments and lining up wrong. That’s coaching.
Gotta say, it was nice watching Bituli actually pushing a lineman into a better position pre-snap. Good to see experienced players trying to get everyone on the same page. So maybe some hope there.

 

[1TheCoach1]

So what’s the path to at least being “bowl eligible” ? I don’t see a quick fix for this dilemma. Is Pruitt in over his head? Many here are seeing that not having the team ready to play Georgia State on day one cost him good will and rightfully raised scrutiny.
You could argue a couple of plays going our way, and you can name them, like the blown coverage at the end of BYU, could have us at maybe 2-2. Thing is, it’s getting to where those plays I’m talking about are coming more frequently and occur in almost each possession. Those of us that haven’t played a down, but watch a lot of football have the perception that improvements are not coming fast. Players still missing assignments and lining up wrong. That’s coaching.
Gotta say, it was nice watching Bituli actually pushing a lineman into a better position pre-snap. Good to see experienced players trying to get everyone on the same page. So maybe some hope there.

You would agree players like Henry T have had a huge impact and seems to know what to do I assume. There are others that seem to know where they are suppose to be also. With that being said and all players have the same group of coaches at their respected positions it would also be safe to assume we simply do not have enough players learning the system fast enough. You see, if player A is always making the right plays and player B is not lining up correctly or making adjustments that is more of a player issue than a coaching issue. Sure you could say that player shouldn't be on the field but being our defense lives on the field you have to give players a break every now and then. It sucks watching and the breakdowns in coverage are like nails on a chalkboard but it is simply going to happen until we either get players on the field who get it or recruit ones that will. I am sure you heard the reporter story that was on the sideline during the last game. They said the offensive line had no friggin idea what JG was calling or doing and were having to look over to the sideline. That's a huge problem. I think that problem will be corrected by a simple qb change. Bituli back on the field helps a lot but we need a leader in the secondary. I was hoping it would be Warrior this season but I have seen Warrior out of position and getting burned as bad as anyone else in the secondary. Jackson has been hit or miss but has looked good on several plays. I hate it as much as anyone that we are where we are now but I really do believe it will come together in the next 2 years and recruiting cycles.

 

[SandoVOL]

That’s a step above FCS Pruitt

Do you really believe that? I know a lot of people are half sarcastic when they say this stuff so I am not sure, Pruitt is a rookie head coach, but has been in P5 nearly his entire career, this staff is anything but fcs. Some people I think are confusing the learning curve we are dealing with here.

 

[joevol33]

Do you really believe that? I know a lot of people are half sarcastic when they say this stuff so I am not sure, Pruitt is a rookie head coach, but has been in P5 nearly his entire career, this staff is anything but fcs. Some people I think are confusing the learning curve we are dealing with here.

I think many of us are just frustrated, and say a lot of stuff just out of frustration.

 

[SandoVOL]

I think many of us are just frustrated, and say a lot of stuff just out of frustration.

I am as frustrated as anyone, I don't believe Pruitt was brought here expected to bring instant success, Fulmer wanted someone with upside, and experience around our biggest rivals, that he could mentor into a coach for UT. That isn't going to happen overnight.

Or perhaps that isn't the case and Fulmer thought we were ready for playoffs year 2 like others on here believe.

 

[butchna]

Nothing to worry about. I remember the coach fluffers telling us that when players were leaving under Lyle that they were weak and cancers to the team. I’m sure they will be along any minute to tell us that Jordan is b$tch who couldn’t handle Pruitt’s (non) coaching style.

His role is being phased out even more. He was 3rd on the depth chart and they stuck their Quavaris Crouch toe in that water.

 

[Sara Clark]

Trevon Flowers posted something on twitter today about having to make decisions and do what is best for his family.

Yes, I was about to post that tweet.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that Chandler and Gray are actually better and he knows he is not going to see playing time anymore. I doubt it has anything to do with anything other than he got beat out for playing time.

Maybe he didn't practice "the right way".

 

[Vfl2407]

Eli Wolfe has already caught more passes in 4 games at UGA than he did all last year at UT.

We don’t throw very often to our tight end and when we do JG misses.

 

[TennesseeTarheel]

I gotta disagree. One, what the crap does it matter if we "played a down of organized football"? The majority of fans of any sport never have. Without the fans, any team at any level would be nothing, we fill tge stands, we pay our money to watch. Which leads to 2, I'm in no way a participation guy, and we have many fans who aren't. Instant gratification? Are you a new fan? The majority of us complaining have been faithful, and supported this program for years. Good, bad, heartbreak, nailbiters, etc. If we had just jumped on a winning bandwagon I could understand you saying that in this situation, but we've been here and stoid true for years. Filled the stadium, followed them on the road, spent our money. I for one think we have a heck of a right to be upset, and it's not about instant gratification, apparently you've missed the past 15+years.

I've never played "organized" football, but I've played enough "dis-organized" football to recognize it when I see it.

 

[Sara Clark]

Anyone who has not yet seen the field should leave now. Pruitt has decided who he will invest in. If your coach is not going to invest in you by giving you playing time, go somewhere else. You have to, if you care about the rest of your life and you want to play on weekends.

If you have not played this year, it is bad stewardship to stay. Pray about it. Don't hide your light under a jar, or whatever.

Now we're encouraging player who have yet to play this year to leave? I pray players stay away from VN right now.

 

[volfannbama]

Sounds like things are going great. Exciting

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

There are several guys contemplating making a move right now. None from the freshman/sophomore classes, from what I've heard.

will he be able to see the transfer portal, or will he bounce it outside as well?