Rumors floating about - Tim Jordan

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wmcovol said:
Even if they leave now, they’d have to sit next year. Just play the year and redshirt next yr anyway. Most of those guys aren’t thinking 5 yr college careers. If a senior quits, he can graduate and play next year. I doubt the NCAA will grant many waivers next year.
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If they leave now, they absolutely can play next year without a waiver if they either haven't already redshirted or if they've graduated. See Kelly Bryant.
 
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Let's be honest. Jordan is not a top SEC back. He has some strength but he is slow and doesn't possess great moves. The type of Butch recruiting that has gotten the program behind.

Good luck to the kid if he leaves, because he would make a good back at a lower level.
 
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Best of luck to any of these kids who want to try to better their situations at any school.

If anyone has set the example for jumping ship, it's these mercenary coaches who chase the next big buyout and 7 figure contract.
 
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wmcovol said:
He should have been in at TB instead of Gray on the 2nd and goal play from the 3. Maybe he’d known who to block so the pass isn’t knocked down.
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Maybe he would have maybe he wouldn't have. Maybe he should have maybe he shouldn't have. Maybe Chandler should have been in. Maybe we should have handed off to a fullback.
 
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Not sure why all these upperclassmen don't want to go all out for a coach who says he wants to recruit over them at half time.

“I made them a promise, we have a few guys playing the right way and doing all the right things. I promise you I’ll recruit 25 other guys that will play the right way so we don’t have to play in another game like this,” Pruitt said, according to Erdahl.
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
I agree with that. Too many fans that know everything and I am willing to bet 90% never played a down of organized football in their lives. Add on the fact that we live in an age where everyone gets a trophy and demands instant gratification and you have a bunch of whiners.
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I gotta disagree. One, what the crap does it matter if we "played a down of organized football"? The majority of fans of any sport never have. Without the fans, any team at any level would be nothing, we fill tge stands, we pay our money to watch. Which leads to 2, I'm in no way a participation guy, and we have many fans who aren't. Instant gratification? Are you a new fan? The majority of us complaining have been faithful, and supported this program for years. Good, bad, heartbreak, nailbiters, etc. If we had just jumped on a winning bandwagon I could understand you saying that in this situation, but we've been here and stoid true for years. Filled the stadium, followed them on the road, spent our money. I for one think we have a heck of a right to be upset, and it's not about instant gratification, apparently you've missed the past 15+years.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
There are several guys contemplating making a move right now. None from the freshman/sophomore classes, from what I've heard.
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Might have missed it, but Ignont didn't make the trip to UF and it wasn't due to injury. Think there was someone else, but don't recall a name. Might this be why? Or was it disciplinary?
 
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1TheCoach1 said:
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be that Chandler and Gray are actually better and he knows he is not going to see playing time anymore. I doubt it has anything to do with anything other than he got beat out for playing time.
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Hopefully Jordan can find the door to where he is going. He wasn’t able to find the designed hole he was supposed to run in here.
 
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ABINGDON VOL FAN said:
Hopefully Jordan can find the door to where he is going. He wasn’t able to find the designed hole he was supposed to run in here.
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He might drop his pen when signing the transfer paperwork as well. JK... Jordan needs to do what's best for him. Either give 100% to UT or find himself a better situation.
 
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GAVol said:
If they leave now, they absolutely can play next year without a waiver if they either haven't already redshirted or if they've graduated. See Kelly Bryant.
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Silver lining to the abysmal season we're having is that we do have that portal and the 4 game rule for red shirts. It will allow kids who don't want to be here and play for Pruitt the opportunity to move on. Won't do our depth any good, but if it takes problems off the team and out of the locker room, it's worth it. Just wish the rules didn't limit us to 25 per class. I'd rather have the ability to sign as many as we could to get to the 85 limit.
 
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McDad said:
Question: if a handful transfer but we can only recruit 25 max per year, can we fill vacancies with grad transfers, jucos, etc?
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No, and that's the biggest reason that Pruitt and other first-year coaches haven't run off as many kids as coaches did in the past.

Simple explanation: Everyone talks about the 25 signee rule, but there are actually TWO 25 rules.

1. The one everyone knows about, the 25 signees each class. You can't sign more than 25 players, high school or JuCo to a scholarship in a recruiting cycle. There is some flexibility here with backcounting, blueshirts, etc. But this isn't the one that hampers program building.

2. The 25 initial counter rule. Any player that comes into your program on scholarship, whether it's by signing out of high school, JuCo, or transfer, is what the NCAA calls an "initial counter." At the same time they clarified the 25 signee rule, they put this rule in place to curb the creative accounting that coaches tried to use to build programs quickly. You can only bring 25 new initial counters to your school in a calendar year. So from January 1 with early enrolees to May, June and August, you can only bring in 25 new scholarship players. There is only one exception, which I'll get to in a minute.

The rule was put in place to prevent new coaches from coming in, cutting a bunch of guys and then finding a way around the rules to sign 35 *cough*Butch Jones*cough*. It was done in the name of protecting student-athletes. The problem is the transfer portal has left programs with more openings than the 25 counter rule allows them to fill. Because of the number UT signed this year, they couldn't bring in a grad transfer unless he was a walk-on like the QB from Maryland.

This is the rule that screwed Kansas over and has kept them down for years. Charlie Weiss filled his classes with JuCo kids and the last coach took over a roster with 40-something scholarship players and half of them were upperclassmen. It wasn't mathematically possible for him to have a full roster of 85 until his 4th year, and that was only if he signed full classes of freshmen and they all stayed.

The only exception to this rule is awarding scholarships to walk-ons. The problem there is that a walk-on has to have been on campus for two calendar years before being awarded a scholarship to not count against your 25 initial counters. There are no other loopholes to be exploited.

So now, you're seeing coaches give players that they would have run off in the past a second chance to avoid playing with a short roster.
 
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GAVol said:
If they leave now, they absolutely can play next year without a waiver if they either haven't already redshirted or if they've graduated. See Kelly Bryant.
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That's not entirely true. Grad transfers can play right away, but any other player would need a waiver to avoid sitting out however many games they played at their previous school.
 
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joevol33 said:
I gotta disagree. One, what the crap does it matter if we "played a down of organized football"? The majority of fans of any sport never have. Without the fans, any team at any level would be nothing, we fill tge stands, we pay our money to watch. Which leads to 2, I'm in no way a participation guy, and we have many fans who aren't. Instant gratification? Are you a new fan? The majority of us complaining have been faithful, and supported this program for years. Good, bad, heartbreak, nailbiters, etc. If we had just jumped on a winning bandwagon I could understand you saying that in this situation, but we've been here and stoid true for years. Filled the stadium, followed them on the road, spent our money. I for one think we have a heck of a right to be upset, and it's not about instant gratification, apparently you've missed the past 15+years.
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Once again I said "too many fans", if you took that personal you need to look at yourself not me. Did you take too many personally? If I were a new fan would I be talking about participation trophies and instant gratification that fans now seek? I don't think so. I have been a season ticket holder since the days of Bill Battle. Kind of disqualifies me from being a new fan.
Sorry if you took my comment too personal but if you are not one that I mentioned you probably didn't need to defend yourself.
 
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