Rumor....Auburn's possible interest in Vols WR Coach David Johnson

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I dunno… In recent years, we seem to have been recruiting ok, but we've failed in developing the players that we bring in.

I get that Tee is a great recruiter. How is he at developing the players that he brings in, especially if he's willing to work as a position coach again?

If he develops them, then hell yeah, bring him on. I think we need staff that can not only recruit, but grow the recruits once they're here. That seems to be a critical function that we haven't addressed very well.
 
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Possibly making room for Tee and yes I know I'll get blasted for this but I honestly don't give 2 shakes of a monkey's butt if I do
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
Tee would be nice to have, but frankly, I don't want to lose David Johnson. He's one of the best at developing WRs in the country. I also think Johnson is more likely to stick around long-term than Tee, who might take an OC job in 2020.
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Excellent point. I wish all the best for Tee, whether he builds up his resume here at UT or elsewhere, but I think it's important to have as much stability as possible in the coaching staff over the next few years.

What is good for an individual coach might not necessarily be good for the overall program.

Best of luck Tee, wherever you wind up! You're one of the Vol classics.
 
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Word is, CDJ doesn't like working for CJP. Pruitt's giving him the opportunity to get another gig and hopes Tee can replace him. Pretty much a wash with a possible recruiting upgrade.
 
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jimed1 said:
I thought our receivers played much better this year under CDJ's coaching. I want him to stay. He's the best we've had in a long time.
I'm not convinced Tee is an upgrade. He may have done well at USC but he likely had better athletes to work with.
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But he didn’t do well at USC. He was fired.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
I can appreciate all that, I do it all the time, as we all see.
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Well, I found that my life got a whole lot better when I decided to let go of the perfection thingy. ;)

Even for people not dealing with addiction issues, learning about 12-step programs can really help our lives. It can be amazing and liberating to find that admitting a fault isn't the end of the world. :cool:

But besides all that lofty philosophy, I try to clean up after my messes, which are many. ha
 
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DonDiego said:
Word is, CDJ doesn't like working for CJP. Pruitt's giving him the opportunity to get another gig and hopes Tee can replace him. Pretty much a wash with a possible recruiting upgrade.
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Not challenging, but just curious: where does your "word is" info come from?
 
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VolNExile said:
Well, I found that my life got a whole lot better when I decided to let go of the perfection thingy. ;)

Even for people not dealing with addiction issues, learning about 12-step programs can really help our lives. It can be amazing and liberating to find that admitting a fault isn't the end of the world. :cool:

But besides all that lofty philosophy, I try to clean up after my messes, which are many. ha
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I get that, had a brother that lost his life to addiction. He taught me the 12 step program. He taught me some humility.
 
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Orangeredblooded said:
I get that, had a brother that lost his life to addiction. He taught me the 12 step program. He taught me some humility.
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I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss. :confused: I'm glad that you were able to get something useful (the 12-step philosophy) out of the pain.

--I get very irritable about those who think that addiction is simply a "choice." Yes, there is some volitional aspect to it, but there is also an underlying disease pathology. Many of us do stupid things at some point, but the lucky ones wake up the next day and say, hell, I'm not doing that again. The others get the worm in the brain, and the struggle begins.

So some get hit, and others don't. If you ever went dabbling in drugs and alcohol, and maybe scared the crap out of yourself eventually but didn't get hooked, you should be damn grateful. "There but for the grace of God, go I." If you dodged this bullet, it isn't because you are such a marvelous and indestructible person; you just got effing lucky.

Namaste, y'all.
 
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VolNExile said:
Not challenging, but just curious: where does your "word is" info come from?
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Umm, well I could come up with some lame quote like 'bones never lie', or some other ten year old, hackneyed crap like that. But, fact is, I've read that there is friction between the two regarding style from sports writers. No inside info.
 
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DonDiego said:
Umm, well I could come up with some lame quote like 'bones never lie', or some other ten year old, hackneyed crap like that. But, fact is, I've read that there is friction between the two regarding style from sports writers. No inside info.
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Thanks! I was able to keep up with stuff for a while, but eventually, the endless rumor threads took over, and it's hard to remember what * maybe * was valid info from outside sources vs opinions from VN posters headed back to the fridge for the eighth time.

And in the end, I would hate for someone to take a virtual snapshot of me on a bad or not-wonderful day and post it up that this is how I feel about things. I like to give fellow humans the right to have weird days and possibly spout off things that might not be exactly how they might feel. We should all have the right to plausible deniability, lol.
 
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VolNExile said:
I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss. :confused: I'm glad that you were able to get something useful (the 12-step philosophy) out of the pain.

--I get very irritable about those who think that addiction is simply a "choice." Yes, there is some volitional aspect to it, but there is also an underlying disease pathology. Many of us do stupid things at some point, but the lucky ones wake up the next day and say, hell, I'm not doing that again. The others get the worm in the brain, and the struggle begins.

So some get hit, and others don't. If you ever went dabbling in drugs and alcohol, and maybe scared the crap out of yourself eventually but didn't get hooked, you should be damn grateful. "There but for the grace of God, go I." If you dodged this bullet, it isn't because you are such a marvelous and indestructible person; you just got effing lucky.

Namaste, y'all.
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Wish I could 'like' this ten more times. I've got loved ones struggling.
 
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DonDiego said:
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Wish I could 'like' this ten more times. I've got loved ones struggling.
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Well, gee, I had this well-crafted response that just vanished when I tried to edit it... lol, but dammit!

Anyway, what I was trying to post is that much of what underlies addiction issues is the feeling that we are missing out on something. Love, or belonging, or meaningfulness, or something something.

We seem to have lost the idea of what makes A Good Life. There is a heart-hunger, a feeling that our souls have a big old hollow place that needs filling. And there doesn't seem to be anything there to fill it, so we go for stim (stimulation), whether it's alcohol, or drugs, or gambling or sex or whatever.

And that is not accidental. Because meanwhile, there is a HUGE industry that is dependent on making people feel inadequate. Not thin enough, cheekbones aren't high enough, BF/GF isn't hot enough, I'm not rich enough, I don't get laid enough, I'm not respected enough, my hair is too flat/ too fluffy/ too thin/ appearing in the wrong places (way too many wrong places), it's obvious that they aren't going to promote me, my armpits are kinda funky, my car gears down at the wrong point when I am accelerating, and on and on. Someone is making money off of your pain.

If we buy into Mad Ave and media and the general frenzy, if we believe that if we will just do thus-and-so, then we'll be happy. But it's all a lie, and it only makes us feel more lost and hollow. Somehow or another, we have to find where the "real" is, because when we live that, that's the only way that we will feel complete.

So I hope that your loved ones can see through the lies that we are all fed about how-it-ought-to-be and find their real.

And meanwhile, I hope we have a great coach in this position, whether David Johnson or Tee Martin, and Go Effing Vols!
 
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VolNExile said:
Well, gee, I had this well-crafted response that just vanished when I tried to edit it... lol, but dammit!

Anyway, what I was trying to post is that much of what underlies addiction issues is the feeling that we are missing out on something. Love, or belonging, or meaningfulness, or something something.

We seem to have lost the idea of what makes A Good Life. There is a heart-hunger, a feeling that our souls have a big old hollow place that needs filling. And there doesn't seem to be anything there to fill it, so we go for stim (stimulation), whether it's alcohol, or drugs, or gambling or sex or whatever.

And that is not accidental. Because meanwhile, there is a HUGE industry that is dependent on making people feel inadequate. Not thin enough, cheekbones aren't high enough, BF/GF isn't hot enough, I'm not rich enough, I don't get laid enough, I'm not respected enough, my hair is too flat/ too fluffy/ too thin/ appearing in the wrong places (way too many wrong places), it's obvious that they aren't going to promote me, my armpits are kinda funky, my car gears down at the wrong point when I am accelerating, and on and on. Someone is making money off of your pain.

If we buy into Mad Ave and media and the general frenzy, if we believe that if we will just do thus-and-so, then we'll be happy. But it's all a lie, and it only makes us feel more lost and hollow. Somehow or another, we have to find where the "real" is, because when we live that, that's the only way that we will feel complete.

So I hope that your loved ones can see through the lies that we are all fed about how-it-ought-to-be and find their real.

And meanwhile, I hope we have a great coach in this position, whether David Johnson or Tee Martin, and Go Effing Vols!
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Go Effing Vols, with you there, VolNExile. Something tells me you know and have been there. It truly is a crisis. Back to point, many might disagree with me, When I heard CDJ was hired from Memphis, I was more excited about him coming on than any of the others, hate to hear he might be leaving. I think there is too much smoke about Tee coming back and Johnson is leaving, either way, I’ll wait and see.
 
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LWSVOL said:
this is a mutual decision from both sides (CDJ and CJP). CJP giving him an opportunity to move on his own. CJP not impressed with his recruiting.
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Is Pruitt likely to value recruiting over coaching ability? He feels like 70/30 recruiting to me. Could either work or really kill you on game day.

Though I imagine Tee is good in both areas
 
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Nelson Agholor, JuJu Smith Shuster, and Marquise Lee were 1st and 2nd round talents coached By Tee Martin. So don’t sit here and play the “Tee is a bad coach because he got fired card” when was the last time TN had a WR picked in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft?? I’ll wait.
 
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aRmo said:
Nelson Agholor, JuJu Smith Shuster, and Marquise Lee were 1st and 2nd round talents coached By Tee Martin. So don’t sit here and play the “Tee is a bad coach because he got fired card” when was the last time TN had a WR picked in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft?? I’ll wait.
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Who sayin that? He was fired as an oc, previously admired as wr coach by same university. He'll be a position coach, so we good!
 
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