RPI Discussion.

[bleedingTNorange]

You do realize there's only a 1 game difference between his prediction and yours, right?? Don't see how that makes his prediction a 'negative rant', but yours a logical prediction.

I didn't say it did, did I?

I was talking in general about said poster, not specifically that post.

 

[7thgroupvolfan]

You do realize there's only a 1 game difference between his prediction and yours, right?? Don't see how that makes his prediction a 'negative rant', but yours a logical prediction.

It's obvious to me. If we go 4-4 we're pretty much done. Unless we win 2-3 games in the SEC tourney, which I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.

 

[vols 30]

It's there anyone more negative than you around here or do you own the title?

4-4 is absolutely worse case scenario.

Very possible the next 2 games are losses. FL and at Missouri. The Vols lost to A&M at home, so why should I believe they will win at their place? Vols struggled with an improving Auburn team at home, so that game will not be easy. UT could also pull a NC State/UTEP performance at anytime.


I hope I'm wrong, but I believe I'm being reasonable with my prediction.

 

[vols 30]

There's a few that could give him a run, but to his credit he doesn't run when there's even a little success like the others do. If we go 7-1 he'll still be here, just spouting some other negative rants.

Personally I'm guessing 5-3, just because that's what this team does, nothing easy. Why go 7-1 or even 6-2 and be playing for seeding, when you can go 5-3 and keep everyone on the edge of their seat.

I say 4-4, and you say 5-3. I'm only slightly more negative than you. LOL!

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Very possible the next 2 games are losses. FL and at Missouri. The Vols lost to A&M at home, so why should I believe they will win at their place? Vols struggled with an improving Auburn team at home, so that game will not be easy. UT could also pull a NC State/UTEP performance at anytime.


I hope I'm wrong, but I believe I'm being reasonable with my prediction.

Can I get some action on that A&M game? I feel very confident that we won't drop that game.

It's not like they're better, or they do things that give us fits, we just lost focus. We drubbed them, had the game won, and just thought they'd roll over. Go play 40 minutes against them at their place and I see no way we lose, you realize the South Carolina team we just slaughtered beat them by 30?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

I say 4-4, and you say 5-3. I'm only slightly more negative than you. LOL!

I think 7-1, but the negative in me says 5-3 lol.

 

[vols 30]

Can I get some action on that A&M game? I feel very confident that we won't drop that game.

It's not like they're better, or they do things that give us fits, we just lost focus. We drubbed them, had the game won, and just thought they'd roll over. Go play 40 minutes against them at their place and I see no way we lose, you realize the South Carolina team we just slaughtered beat them by 30?

So South Carolina beat them by 30, and we lost to them at home. That's not an encouraging sign. I agree that UT should beat them, but they should've have won the 1st game too. Do you have confidence that UT will play 40 minutes on the road?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

So South Carolina beat them by 30, and we lost to them at home. That's not an encouraging sign. I agree that UT should beat them, but they should've have won the 1st game too. Do you have confidence that UT will play 40 minutes on the road?

Against A&M? Yes. We have a great record after losses, which tells me this team unfortunately needs some sort of wake up call or motivation most of the time. After what A&M did to them I think they'll be eager to set the record straight and do whatever they can to avenge the loss.

 

[vols 30]

Against A&M? Yes. We have a great record after losses, which tells me this team unfortunately needs some sort of wake up call or motivation most of the time. After what A&M did to them I think they'll be eager to set the record straight and do whatever they can to avenge the loss.

I hope you are right.

 

[VolGee4]

So South Carolina beat them by 30, and we lost to them at home. That's not an encouraging sign. I agree that UT should beat them, but they should've have won the 1st game too. Do you have confidence that UT will play 40 minutes on the road?

They can. LSU and Bama.

 

[SCowlsVOL]

So what are our chances of making the tourney, iyo? 6-2 would be awesome, but 5-3 is likely. Win one game in the SEC tourney and we're in like Flynn.

Unless we lose to awfulbarn, then we'll be on or close to the bubble even with that scenario.

After talking to bto he has me believing that we can get in with three losses. I think we would be on the bubble with three losses. Jmo def could be wrong. Bto what do you think?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

After talking to bto he has me believing that we can get in with three losses. I think we would be on the bubble with three losses. Jmo def could be wrong. Bto what do you think?

5-3 likely has us on the bubble and needing 1 or 2 wins in the sect. 6-2 or better and we are likely in and playing for seeding in the sect.

 

[SCowlsVOL]

5-3 likely has us on the bubble and needing 1 or 2 wins in the sect. 6-2 or better and we are likely in and playing for seeding in the sect.

Sounds good! Let's cross our fingers for Tuesday I believe.

 

[Thrasher865]

It's there anyone more negative than you around here or do you own the title?

4-4 is absolutely worse case scenario.

I'm not convinced there is such a thing as "worst case scenario" with this team. I do think we wind up 4-4 or better, but nothing surprises me anymore.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

To get in, or to improve seeding?

We can lose to Florida and at Missouri and still get in relatively easy IMO, bubble is awfully weak this year. (At the moment)

Obviously that's not ideal, and would probably depend a bit on SECT, but I think it'd work.

Your orange tainted opinion that we get in the tourney despite every possible future scenario is disturbing. I guarantee this team doesn't get in (especially not relatively easy in your words) if they lose to Mizzou and UF, for two reasons. 1) Mizzou is a bubble team, at best, if you can't beat non-tourney and/or bubble teams then how do you belong in the tournament? 2) UT has gone on impressive winning streaks to end the season 2 yrs in a row, with some big wins in there. If 9-1 down the stretch couldn't get them in last yr then 5-3 with losses to Vandy and Mizzou won't get them in. 10-6 in a pitiful conference will put us in the NIT without consideration by the committee.

 

[whobethis16]

Your orange tainted opinion that we get in the tourney despite every possible future scenario is disturbing. I guarantee this team doesn't get in (especially not relatively easy in your words) if they lose to Mizzou and UF, for two reasons. 1) Mizzou is a bubble team, at best, if you can't beat non-tourney and/or bubble teams then how do you belong in the tournament? 2) UT has gone on impressive winning streaks to end the season 2 yrs in a row, with some big wins in there. If 9-1 down the stretch couldn't get them in last yr then 5-3 with losses to Vandy and Mizzou won't get them in. 10-6 in a pitiful conference will put us in the NIT without consideration by the committee.

Good points, if the selection committee based it on number of wins. As it has been stated numerous times, our RPI year to date is about half of what it was the past two years. Like a GPA in school, it's much easier to move it early like they did this year. Much better position this year.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Good points, if the selection committee based it on number of wins. As it has been stated numerous times, our RPI year to date is about half of what it was the past two years. Like a GPA in school, it's much easier to move it early like they did this year. Much better position this year.

Every year, the final 10 games seem to be a major factor in the committee's eyes. If they look at us and we go 7-3 down the stretch, with the Vandy and Mizzou losses I don't see us being attractive to them, right or wrong. When there's only 37 spots available it's no guarantee that a team with an RPI in the 40's gets in. People seem to think because there's 68 spots then anything inside that 68 is a shoo in. We need to take care of business and hope every conference leader wins their conference tourney so spots don't start disappearing.

 

[CAVol]

Your orange tainted opinion that we get in the tourney despite every possible future scenario is disturbing. I guarantee this team doesn't get in (especially not relatively easy in your words) if they lose to Mizzou and UF, for two reasons. 1) Mizzou is a bubble team, at best, if you can't beat non-tourney and/or bubble teams then how do you belong in the tournament? 2) UT has gone on impressive winning streaks to end the season 2 yrs in a row, with some big wins in there. If 9-1 down the stretch couldn't get them in last yr then 5-3 with losses to Vandy and Mizzou won't get them in. 10-6 in a pitiful conference will put us in the NIT without consideration by the committee.

Except last year 9-1 put as at RPI in the 50s/60s. This year it would put them in the 20s.

 

[cherokeechief]

Tennessee has some high quality wins this season. The win over Virginia was big as was the win over Xavier. I think they will beat Missouri but regardless I think they're in the dance. They may not like they're dance partner, but they're in.

 

[IAMLEGEND]

Tennessee has some high quality wins this season. The win over Virginia was big as was the win over Xavier. I think they will beat Missouri but regardless I think they're in the dance. They may not like they're dance partner, but they're in.

They arent in until I see them in the bracket talk on Selection Sunday...too much ball to be played...

 

[VolGee4]

Every year, the final 10 games seem to be a major factor in the committee's eyes. If they look at us and we go 7-3 down the stretch, with the Vandy and Mizzou losses I don't see us being attractive to them, right or wrong. When there's only 37 spots available it's no guarantee that a team with an RPI in the 40's gets in. People seem to think because there's 68 spots then anything inside that 68 is a shoo in. We need to take care of business and hope every conference leader wins their conference tourney so spots don't start disappearing.

Obviously, the final 10 games aren't that much of a factor, considering our runs the last two years. They have said that the entire body of work matters, and that is why the early losses in both years kept us out. We are in much better shape this year, but we must capitalize. If we get to 12-6 in conference with any combination of wins, I think we are in. If we are 11-7, then we are on the bubble and could still get in.

 

[Ronny Swanson]

You do realize there's only a 1 game difference between his prediction and yours, right?? Don't see how that makes his prediction a 'negative rant', but yours a logical prediction.

Because he's a REGULAR poster here in the bball forum. And he knows all about that RPI.

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Your orange tainted opinion that we get in the tourney despite every possible future scenario is disturbing.

There's so much wrong in this post I'm not sure it's really even worth my time because I doubt you'll read this, but what the heck, I'll give it a crack.

I guarantee this team doesn't get in (especially not relatively easy in your words) if they lose to Mizzou and UF, for two reasons

Rule #1. Don't guarantee anything that you can not control. I'm guessing you are not on the selection committee, therefore regardless of your opinion that the committee is gonna try some new selection process this year, you don't know.

1) Mizzou is a bubble team, at best, if you can't beat non-tourney and/or bubble teams then how do you belong in the tournament?

Do you understand what being a bubble team means? It means you have some flaws, such as bad losses, lousy SOS, no good wins etc that make your resume less impressive. If you had no losses to any teams that weren't tournament teams, then you wouldn't be on the bubble. Look at high major bubble teams from years past, they have multiple bad losses typically and a handful of losses to non tourney teams.

2) UT has gone on impressive winning streaks to end the season 2 yrs in a row, with some big wins in there. If 9-1 down the stretch couldn't get them in last yr then 5-3 with losses to Vandy and Mizzou won't get them in.

There's is where understanding that last year is last year and this year is this year comes into play. Do you know what our record was last year on February 10? How about our RPI? Last year we were 12-10(4-6) with a RPI of 105 on this date. Today we are 15-8(6-4) with a RPI of 47. If you don't understand that that's a monumental difference, then I'm not sure what to tell you.

10-6 in a pitiful conference will put us in the NIT without consideration by the committee.

Well 10-6 would be an interesting finish, what happened to the other 2 games? Mass blizzard hit the southeast and Slive decided to cut the SEC schedule 2 games short?

 

[bleedingTNorange]

Every year, the final 10 games seem to be a major factor in the committee's eyes.

Actually that myth has been debunked the last two years, they don't look at your final 10 games any differently.

If they look at us and we go 7-3 down the stretch, with the Vandy and Mizzou losses I don't see us being attractive to them, right or wrong. When there's only 37 spots available it's no guarantee that a team with an RPI in the 40's gets in.

Pop quiz....best RPI high major to get left out of the dance since the field expanded to 68?

People seem to think because there's 68 spots then anything inside that 68 is a shoo in. We need to take care of business and hope every conference leader wins their conference tourney so spots don't start disappearing.

Anyone that thinks that is a fool. However, RPI inside of 50 as a high major and you're pretty much guaranteed a spot, especially when you have the SOS we have.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Except last year 9-1 put as at RPI in the 50s/60s. This year it would put them in the 20s.

He said if we lose to Mizzou and UF we're still in. That puts us at 5-3 over our last 8 instead of 9-1 (or 7-1). If we go 7-1 with the only loss being to Vandy then I don't doubt we're in. That would give us a top 3 win over UF and probably a top 50 win over Mizzou (not sure their RPI at this time).