Robber shot during robbery by concealed carrier

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Family of robber said that the CC should have minded his own business.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mu-2J0JdUmE[/youtube]
 
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Right he should of left the store so her baby could kill everyone else in the store. She's lucky the shooter wasn't a cop or a good shot.
 
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That piece of trash can ***** all she wants but the fact is, the man saw someone's life in imminent danger and responded accordingly. Good shoot and good for him.
 
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Good job. However, one of us would want him arrested and tried.
 
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tim said:
Good job. However, one of us would want him arrested and tried.
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IF Ted Bundy had been shot and killed by one of the many girls he was trying to rape and kill..TRUT would want the girl arrested and tried!
 
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I give any family member a bit of a break in how they feel...it's got to be tough. OTOH I don't pretend that their obvious bias changes the actuality of anything...if you're doing something where getting oneself shot is justified then that's the fact of it.
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Mav is speaking truth...I read it myself...but can't remember which thread...I was sorta shocked by it
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Eh, it's a bit of an oversimplification. Even TRUT admitted it was problematic unless we changed a whole lot about how the legal system worked. I understand how he was trying to push the idea that if somebody dies from a deliberate act then there needs to be a pretty thorough process of vetting how that came to pass. Still, I was and remain rather vehemently opposed to the "arrest first" approach.
 
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hndog609 said:
Eh, it's a bit of an oversimplification. Even TRUT admitted it was problematic unless we changed a whole lot about how the legal system worked. I understand how he was trying to push the idea that if somebody dies from a deliberate act then there needs to be a pretty thorough process of vetting how that came to pass. Still, I was and remain rather vehemently opposed to the "arrest first" approach.
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he said arrest and charged!
 
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BigOrangeCrush32 said:
Mav is speaking truth...I read it myself...but can't remember which thread...I was sorta shocked by it
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Seems like he's mentioned it in several threads.

I don't see the big deal. It's not like letting idiots like the lady in the video choose when criminal charges should be brought up would be abused.
 
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volmaverick said:
he said arrest and charged!
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He and I went 'round pretty good on that one, I'm aware of his stance and even understand why he has it. Mostly I had issues with how it could really only work, IMO, if we had a whole different approach to how the law worked and was even perceived by the public. Even if I sympathized with where he was trying to go with the argument it was tantamount to a discussion that started with "If Earth only had half it's current gravity...". Even if I agreed with what came after it's rather useless if one is trying to discuss current reality.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I think if you're going to distort and simplify his argument, you should have the nuts to link the actual argument he posted.

I dunno, it's kind of a bltch move.
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Trut's argument or not posting the argument.

Tell me Dink... when you were "robbed" and if you were prepared, would you want to be arrested for protecting yourself or someone else by taking the life of the perpetrator..?
 
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tim said:
Trut's argument or not posting the argument.

Tell me Dink... when you were "robbed" and if you were prepared, would you want to be arrested for protecting yourself or someone else by taking the life of the perpetrator..?
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Not posting TRUT's argument, since he oversimplified it and projected the wrong idea.

If I indeed shot them dead, I would have zero issue with being detained and questioned about it. Nobody knew what actually went down except for me, since the two other witnesses would have been dead. For all they know, I could have physically disabled them, and executed them. I would expect a thorough investigation since I made the conscious decision to end someone's life, regardless of the reason. One can simply allow the robbery to go through, and have insurance cover what was stolen (if applicable). It IS a conscious choice to resist and kill the perp, and you should be prepared for the consequences of doing so.

You can go ahead and put those quotations back where you found them. I was roused in the middle of the night with a gun to my face, another to my dog's, and I was forced to surrender my belongings. I think that's fits the scrip of a robbery.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Not posting TRUT's argument, since he oversimplified it and projected the wrong idea.

If I indeed shot them dead, I would have zero issue with being detained and questioned about it. Nobody knew what actually went down except for me, since the two other witnesses would have been dead. For all they know, I could have physically disabled them, and executed them.

You can go ahead and put those quotations back where you found them. I was roused in the middle of the night with a gun to my face, another to my dog's, and I was forced to surrender my belongings. I think that's fits the scrip of a robbery.
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Gotcha. You have way more trust in your fellow man than I do. I quoted "robbed" because people confuse that with burglary or theft. Being robbed requires one to be present when the theft is occuring. Wasnt trying to be a smartass.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
If I indeed shot them dead, I would have zero issue with being detained and questioned about it.
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I'm not aware of anywhere that this isn't the case already...even in one's home in a Castle Doctrine state. (For instance, if you knew the person and wanted to off them by inviting them over and making it appear to be SD after a break in) Any homicide is investigated. People will always argue the particulars...I don't ever see that changing.

If we're going to reference the TRUT argument he did, in fact, advocate a good deal more than what you cite above. It's also true that VM's version is lacking in a lot of details and context.
 
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