Robber shot during robbery by concealed carrier

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tim said:
Gotcha. You have way more trust in your fellow man than I do. I quoted "robbed" because people confuse that with burglary or theft. Being robbed requires one to be present when the theft is occuring. Wasnt trying to be a smartass.
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Actually, if you think about it, I have less trust in my fellow man. I'm not ready to just accept that someone was forced to kill a home intruder. Some gun owners (and I'm against gun control) I've met are almost waiting to be in a situation where they can legally pump lead into a home intruder, mugger, or assailant. I have more faith in a systematic approach than man's integrity.

My bad for the misunderstanding. You've poked fun at that incident of mine in the past.
 
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Apparently the thief and his family are unaware that there was a very simple way to avoid all of this....


STOP ROBBING PEOPLE, ***HOLE!
 
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hndog609 said:
I'm not aware of anywhere that this isn't the case already...even in one's home in a Castle Doctrine state. (For instance, if you knew the person and wanted to off them by inviting them over and making it appear to be SD after a break in) Any homicide is investigated. People will always argue the particulars...I don't ever see that changing.

If we're going to reference the TRUT argument he did, in fact, advocate a good deal more than what you cite above. It's also true that VM's version is lacking in a lot of details and context.
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I was just answering tim's question. TRUT's theory does go a bit far, but I agree with the general sentiment of it.
 
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You know what's sad? I bet the robber and his family end up suing the customer over this.
 
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davethevol said:
You know what's sad? I bet the robber and his family end up suing the customer over this.
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This is why the instructor if my CC class warned us to avoid using your gun at all cost but if you do use it be sure to kill them. You don't need to leave a potential witness that could be used against you in court. Basically don't allow there to be another side to the story to raise any doubt.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
This is why the instructor if my CC class warned us to avoid using your gun at all cost but if you do use it be sure to kill them. You don't need to leave a potential witness that could be used against you in court. Basically don't allow there to be another side to the story to raise any doubt.
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Sad but true. This is why I carry .45 with +P hollows - dead men don't talk.
 
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And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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How are guns getting illegally obtained? How do you mistake your own daughter for a guy? Why do you shoot somebody holding a baby? Sounds like a criminals & idiots problem instead of guns.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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Safest place in Orlando is in the air. On the ground, drive bys or getting swallowed by a sinkhole.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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How do guns drive a car to do a drive-by?
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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No he wouldn't.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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I'm looking online and can't find the drive by shooting or the robberies with legally owned guns yesterday. Could you provide links? I'd like to read up on them.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And yesterday a mother here in Orlando shot and killed her daughter, who was holding her own baby daughter, because the shooter thought she was an abusive ex boyfriend. There were drive bys here, plus people robbed by others using formerly legally owned guns.

You don't want to go case by case with me. You'll be crushed.
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I would also like to know who committed the drive bys? you are talking about

I bet they all follow the gun laws.. so lets pass more
 
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W.TN.Orange Blood said:
How do you feel the outcome would be in a court of law? Does the family have a case that would stand up in court?
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The out come would most likely rule in favor if the shooter, but only after he wasted money in lawyer fees and time off from work. It's a lose lose situation.
 
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davethevol said:
The out come would most likely rule in favor if the shooter, but only after he wasted money in lawyer fees and time off from work. It's a lose lose situation.
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I've always thought in situations like this the accuser should foot both lawyer fees and even have to pay the dependent for their time if they rule in favor of the defendant. People would think twice about frivolous lawsuits if this were the case.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I've always thought in situations like this the accuser should foot both lawyer fees and even have to pay the dependent for their time if they rule in favor of the defendant. People would think twice about frivolous lawsuits if this were the case.
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They don't. I'm going to go out on a limb a suspect that that wounded man and his family are on government assistance and have 0 savings and don't work for a living. How would they pay for anything?
 
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The best part of it all that he probably will sue and knowing our stupid ass judicial system he'll probably win (crazier things happen EVERY day) then when he inevitably turns around and does this again they'll wonder why he didn't learn his lesson.
 
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I'll try and find the story but I read an article not too long ago where this happened. It was a home invasion, the guy shot the intruder, paralyzed him and then he used and won a large amount of cash.
 
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davethevol said:
They don't. I'm going to go out on a limb a suspect that that wounded man and his family are on government assistance and have 0 savings and don't work for a living. How would they pay for anything?
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You're right. I doubt any lawyer would accept payment in EBT and dime bags.
 
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volfanngaytorland said:
I'll try and find the story but I read an article not too long ago where this happened. It was a home invasion, the guy shot the intruder, paralyzed him and then he used and won a large amount of cash.
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Stories like this aren't that uncommon and that's why if you shoot then you shoot to kill.
 
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