Rick Barnes discussion (merged)

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NEO said:
Stop living in the regular season. History doesn’t care. And only morons say bless your heart.
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The NCAA tournament: where 98.4% of the coaches end up as losers every year and go to the season’s final resting place.

Eg; not just Rick Barnes.

Disclaimer: I love the regular season in college basketball. Try it, you might just like it.
 
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jeff1vol said:
Good points. However... we struck gold with Pearl who came from UMW. I'm sure there are plenty of coaches out there who will be household names in the future. The panic over moving on from Barnes (which is inevitably going to happen one way or another) is short sighted.
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What's amazing is the absurdity of saying we should move on from a future HOF coach who has the most wins among SEC teams going all the way back to the 2017 season and is in the Top 25 among active coaches for NCAA tourney win %'age while having the audacity to ignore the reality that hiring an "up and coming" coach is very much a low probability crapshoot...lmao.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Barnes has UT in position every year now. Bubble watching is no longer the norm.
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Yep and that's no small thing. Barnes hasn't "done it", but that doesn't mean he won't. You could make the same statement about Heuple albeit with far fewer opportunities. Both have the chance to "do it", but even if they don't, both programs have been built back and re-established. They are no longer viewed as lost causes by recruits and coaches across the country. We've gone from being a job no one wanted at a school you can't win at to being attractive to 95% of the coaches in the respective sports. For that alone, both have my gratitude regardless of how their careers play out. They've made the sports calendar.....all of it....so much fun and at this old guys stage of life, that's a pretty big thing.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
What's amazing is the absurdity of saying we should move on from a future HOF coach who has the most wins among SEC teams going all the way back to the 2017 season and is in the Top 25 among active coaches for NCAA tourney win %'age while having the audacity to ignore the reality that hiring an "up and coming" coach is very much a low probability crapshoot...lmao.
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Barnes is a very good but not great coach and we would definately be more likely to get a downgrade if we changed coaches. I'm not in the camp that we are destined to start losing 20 games a year when he retires like some. We have a big financial commitment to basketball unlike the past and we will get a good coach. It just may not be on the first try. We went through two awful hires to get from Pearl to Barnes. Cuonzo set the program back big time. We were primed for big time success when he got here. That's the kind of hire that we need to avoid for sure.
 
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The Tennessee AD has a piss poor history of hiring coaches...before you start attacking me over Barnes and maybe Heupel, 1) I am not advocating firing either, and 2) even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
That being said, I have 0% confidence in our AD to make a good hire to replace any coach based on the track record.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
What's amazing is the absurdity of saying we should move on from a future HOF coach who has the most wins among SEC teams going all the way back to the 2017 season and is in the Top 25 among active coaches for NCAA tourney win %'age while having the audacity to ignore the reality that hiring an "up and coming" coach is very much a low probability crapshoot...lmao.
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Apparently you misunderstood my post. I never said we should move on from Barnes. I said the "panic" over HAVING to move on from Barnes is unwarranted. He won't be here forever. Barnes is not irreplaceable. That's what's really absurd.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Barnes has UT in position every year now. Bubble watching is no longer the norm.
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Good grief. It's hard to believe that nobody can understand what I'm saying. When Johnny Majors was fired and replaced with Fulmer, what was one of the first things Fulmer said in his press conference? Do you remember? He said that his goal was to take "UT football to the next level". That meant NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP level. Johnny was a good coach, right? But he couldn't beat Bama enough and certainly wasn't going to win a Natty. Everyone at the end of Johnny's career KNEW this.
Rick Barnes is our basketball version of Johnny Majors. Saved a floundering program, but couldn't get over the hump. UT basketball needs it's Phil Fulmer and get us to "the next level". Understand? Now... who can do that? I have no idea. But to think that it can't be done here is incredibly short-sighted. We have every resource possible to do so.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
The Tennessee AD has a piss poor history of hiring coaches...before you start attacking me over Barnes and maybe Heupel, 1) I am not advocating firing either, and 2) even a blind squirrel finds a nut occasionally.
That being said, I have 0% confidence in our AD to make a good hire to replace any coach based on the track record.
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The AD is different though... Why do we assume that Hamilton / Currie / Fulmer making bad hires means Danny White will?

Football:
Lance Leipold -> Buffalo
Scott Frost -> UCF
Josh Heupel -> UCF
Josh Heupel -> Tennessee

Basketball:
Bobby Hurley -> Buffalo
Nate Oats -> Buffalo
Johnny Dawkins -> UCF

Every single one of those hires is punching significantly above the weight of those schools. The Athletic even ran an article last year about Danny White being the best AD at hiring coaches. I want Barnes to be here until he retires, and I also am a huge Heupel fan, but if/when changes need to made on that front we likely have the best man in the entire business making those calls.
 
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Vols410 said:
The AD is different though... Why do we assume that Hamilton / Currie / Fulmer making bad hires means Danny White will?

Football:
Lance Leipold -> Buffalo
Scott Frost -> UCF
Josh Heupel -> UCF
Josh Heupel -> Tennessee

Basketball:
Bobby Hurley -> Buffalo
Nate Oats -> Buffalo
Johnny Dawkins -> UCF

Every single one of those hires is punching significantly above the weight of those schools. The Athletic even ran an article last year about Danny White being the best AD at hiring coaches. I want Barnes to be here until he retires, and I also am a huge Heupel fan, but if/when changes need to made on that front we likely have the best man in the entire business making those calls.
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Remains TBD. Our AD, no matter who was in charge has a trend of underachieving.
What is the minimum requirement?
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
Remains TBD. Our AD, no matter who was in charge has a trend of underachieving.
What is the minimum requirement?
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White's made one hire since he got here, and that hire took us from the laughingstock of CFB to respectable in year 1, a playoff contender in year 2, and a solid SEC program (at minimum) for the foreseeable future. Plenty of reason to believe things are different.
 
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Vols410 said:
White's made one hire since he got here, and that hire took us from the laughingstock of CFB to respectable in year 1, a playoff contender in year 2, and a solid SEC program (at minimum) for the foreseeable future. Plenty of reason to believe things are different.
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We will see. I like Heupel, but some of his decisions have left me scratching my head.
Last year was awesome except the player revolt for the uscjr game...huge red flag
This year...good except we didn't even compete in 4 losses.
 
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The Tall Gguy said:
We will see. I like Heupel, but some of his decisions have left me scratching my head.
Last year was awesome except the player revolt for the uscjr game...huge red flag
This year...good except we didn't even compete in 4 losses.
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Still it's a far cry from Dooley / Butch / Pruitt. If the argument on the table is the current AD's ability to hire, having a guy run the show whose hires are Leipold, Frost, Heupel, Hurley, Oats, and Dawkins should put any doubts to rest.
 
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Vols410 said:
Still it's a far cry from Dooley / Butch / Pruitt. If the argument on the table is the current AD's ability to hire, having a guy run the show whose hires are Leipold, Frost, Heupel, Hurley, Oats, and Dawkins should put any doubts to rest.
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All of these things have been said before. Again, I am not for firing coaches, but I am concerned. VERY
 
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ColinS said:
Barnes is a very good but not great coach and we would definately be more likely to get a downgrade if we changed coaches. I'm not in the camp that we are destined to start losing 20 games a year when he retires like some. We have a big financial commitment to basketball unlike the past and we will get a good coach. It just may not be on the first try. We went through two awful hires to get from Pearl to Barnes. Cuonzo set the program back big time. We were primed for big time success when he got here. That's the kind of hire that we need to avoid for sure.
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Cuonzo set the dumpster on fire and Donnie poured gas on it. I do think we will be in a better position to hire our next coach with respect to the pocketbook and our AD but that only makes it a 50/50 proposition in my mind best case based on the results each year from all the other programs.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Cuonzo set the dumpster on fire and Donnie poured gas on it. I do think we will be in a better position to hire our next coach with respect to the pocketbook and our AD but that only makes it a 50/50 proposition in my mind best case based on the results each year from all the other programs.
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So the next basketVols coach will benefit like Jerry Green?
 
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jeff1vol said:
Apparently you misunderstood my post. I never said we should move on from Barnes. I said the "panic" over HAVING to move on from Barnes is unwarranted. He won't be here forever. Barnes is not irreplaceable. That's what's really absurd.
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It seemed you were making a case to make the change now to achieve a "higher level of success". And of course we will have to move on from CRB at some point but, best case, it's a 50/50 proposition the next coach can maintain what CRB built let alone take it to new heights...that's just reality.
 
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