Recruiting Tidbits

[HardKnoxVol]

I'm almost positive Crompton was a 4*. But, that doesn't mean he wasn't highly recruited. Many wanted him. He went through a lot here. We really failed him more than he failed us. You gotta give the kid some props. Dude endured more sh*t than most college kids.

He was a 5 in some services. He was ranked higher than Tebow and Perriloux
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[jim43]

Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.

Well, I guess that settles it - the stars are what makes the coach. But I guess Saban needs more 5* and throw out those 4* after going 9-3 with all those stars. The only other explanation is that Saban is not as good as everyone thinks. Either way, it is confusing.

 

[bnhunt]

Strange recently had an article in the KNS on recruiting ranks, of all the All American teams members 25 in total on there, 17 were 3*, 3 each were 4* and 5*, and 0ne was a 2*, he was using the Rivals database for the recruiting rankings of the players the atricle was entitled Mike Strange: All-American list filled with 3 -stars

I think it is pretty revealing that so many slots were filled by players that were just supposed to be good college players, while so few came from the can't miss rankings. Coach's evaluation and coaching them up still matters more than a so called recruiting experts opinion of their skills, is what all this tells me at the end of the day. How else does a 2 star player center from TCU end up on the list.:question:

Although I agree that the star system is highly overrated, just read Meat Market to see what a joke most college coaches find the star rankings to be and how very little they actually pay attention to them in recruiting, your numbers are obviously skewed as there is a a lot more 3* players than 4 or 5*, thus more opportunities.

Star rankings are a tangible way for geeks on message boards to follow recruiting, but IMO have very little bearing on actual talent. Does this mean that all 4 and 5* players are over-rated? No, but it definitelty isn't the end all be all of recruiting.

 

[zjcvols]

Here's my list of Notable 4/5* and forgettable ones, and notable/forgettable 2/3* through 2002-2008. And then I put guys who contributed, but had trouble here (think James Bank, he wans't a bust). Can't judge the last two recruiting classes yet. And let's not forget, before the 2000's, we had tons of 4/5* that panned out great (Henderson, Manning, etc.)

2002
Notable
Jason Allen
Gerald Riggs
Cody Douglas
Omar Gaither
Chris Hannon
Parys Harlason
Justin Harrell
Rob Smith
Jon Wade
James Wilhoit
Marvin Mitchell
Gibril Wilson

Forgettable
Mondre Dickerson
Brandon Jeffries
Heath Benedict
LaRon Harris
Greg Jones
Aaron Kirkland
Ruben Mayes

Notable 3*
Antwan Stewart
Jason Hall

Different circumstances
James Banks
JT Mapu

 

[zjcvols]

2003

Notable 4/5*
Rob Meachem
Aaron Sears
Brad Smith
Jayson Swain
Eric Young

Notable 3*
Jon Hefney
Jon Poe
Britton Colquitt
Turk McBride

Forgetablle 4/5*
Daniel Brooks
Steven Jones

Forgetable 3*
Corey Campbell
Brad Cottam
RoShaun Fellows
Zarnell Fitch
Jared Hostetter
Brandon Johnson
Antonio Gaines
Bill Grimes

 

[zjcvols]

2004

Notable 4/5*
Jesse Mahelona (RIP)
Albert Toeaina
Erik Ainge
Robert Ayers
Demonte Bolden
Jerod Mayo
Xavier Mitchell

Notable 3*
Arion Foster
Ramon Foster
Anthony Parker
Antonio Reynolds
Chris Brown
Ryan Karl

Forgettable 4/5*
Brent Schaeffer

Forgettable 3*
Ell Ash
Sinclair Cannon
Cameron Mayo
Ja'Kouri Williams
James Turner
Ellix Wilson

Circumstances
Inky Johnson (2*)

 

[zjcvols]

2005

Notable 4/5*
Wes Brown
Montario Hardesty
Rico McCoy
Chris Scott
Lucas Taylor
Gerald Williams

Notable 3*
Josh Briscoe
Marsalous Johnson
Vlad Richard
Dan Williams

Forgettable 4/5*
Jon Crompton
Slick Shelley
Todd Cox
Raymond Henderson
Andre Mathis
Adam Myers-White
Malcolm Rawls

Forgettable 3*
Jeff Cottam
Ricardo Kemp
Darius Myers
Antonio Wardlow

Circumstances
Demetrice Morley
LaMarcus Coker
Josh McNeill

 

[SD189]

2003

Notable 4/5*
Rob Meachem
Aaron Sears
Brad Smith
Jayson Swain
Eric Young

Notable 3*
Jon Hefney
Jon Poe
Britton Colquitt

Forgetablle 4/5*
Daniel Brooks
Steven Jones
Claude McBride
Forgetable 3*
Corey Campbell
Brad Cottam
RoShaun Fellows
Zarnell Fitch
Jared Hostetter
Brandon Johnson
Antonio Gaines
Bill Grimes

*Turk McBride- he was good.

 

[zjcvols]

2006

Notable 4/5*
Walter Fisher
Jac McClendon

Notable 3*
Luke Stocker
Vic Thomas
LaMarcus Thompson

Forgettable 4/5*
Ramone Johnson
Darius Myers
Brent Vinson

Forgettable 3*
Blake Garrettson
Justin Garrett
Quinton Hancock
Dustin Lindsey
Chase Nelson
Jarrod Shaw
Lee Smith
Nick Stephens
Dorian Davis
Stephaun Raines

 

[zjcvols]

*Turk McBride- he was good.

Didn't realize that was his name. Thanks :hi:

 

[SD189]

:hi:

 

[manfromtn]

Guys, we can look at the stars all we want to, but in the end, it really won't begin to tell us a whole lot about anything. There are way too many unmeasureable factors in cfb. The biggest one out there is heart. How do you explain Reveiz this year otherwise?

 

[zjcvols]

2007

Notable 4/5*
Eric Berry
Gerald Jones
Nevin McKenzie
Chris Walker
DeAngelo Willingham

Notable 3*
Kevin Cooper
Art Barnes
Denarius Moore
Dennis Rogan

Forgettable 4/5*
Chris Donald
Kenny O'Neal
BJ Coleman
Lennon Creer
Donald Langley
Ronaldo Melancon
Ahmad Paige
Rae Sykes

Forgettable 3*
Anthony Anderson
DeShaun Barnes
Will Brimfield
Todd Campbell
C.J. Fleming
Josh Hawkins
Todd Campbell
Darryl Vereen
Rufus Williams
Cory Hall

Circumstances
Ben Martin (We will see next year)
Savion Frazier

 

[VolFan37323]

4 or 5 stars I think we are forgetting who the coach was. In Fulmer system you could put as many star as you wanting and it would not have matter. You cant develope talent in a system where your trying to run out the clock from the first play of the game. Now my point of view is you give Dooley the kind of talent Fulmer HAD and we are a happy bunch I CAN PROMISE YOU.

 

[WesternKyVol]

While I don't completely disagree with the sentiment since many times there are diamonds in the rough, your comment neglects the fact the 02-10 is possibly one of the roughest stretches in UT football history. Perhaps b/c we are relying on too many 3* players (along with too many 5* busts). Let's hope we get a few Luke Stocker types in this bunch coming in.
Go Vols!

Luke Stocker types gonna turn the program around? He was decent, but please. What I will always remember about Stocker is the 2009 Kentucky game.

 

[kptvol]

I'd put Greg Jones under special circumstances. He was starting to come along but a family tragedy sort of derailed his career.
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[sjt18]

2003

Notable 4/5*
Rob Meachem
Aaron Sears
Brad Smith
Jayson Swain
Eric Young

Notable 3*
Jon Hefney
Jon Poe
Britton Colquitt
Turk McBride

Forgetablle 4/5*
Daniel Brooks
Steven Jones

Forgetable 3*
Corey Campbell
Brad Cottam
RoShaun Fellows
Zarnell Fitch
Jared Hostetter
Brandon Johnson
Antonio Gaines
Bill Grimes

Brad Cottam was drafted and played in the NFL. Fellows started and got accolades. Gaines started as well.

Bret Smith was a role player.

 

[sjt18]

2004

Notable 4/5*
Jesse Mahelona (RIP)
Albert Toeaina
Erik Ainge
Robert Ayers
Demonte Bolden
Jerod Mayo
Xavier Mitchell

Notable 3*
Arion Foster
Ramon Foster
Anthony Parker
Antonio Reynolds
Chris Brown
Ryan Karl

Forgettable 4/5*
Brent Schaeffer

Forgettable 3*
Ell Ash
Sinclair Cannon
Cameron Mayo
Ja'Kouri Williams
James Turner
Ellix Wilson

Circumstances
Inky Johnson (2*)

Elix Wilson was not "forgettable".

 

[sjt18]

2006

Notable 4/5*
Walter Fisher
Jac McClendon

Notable 3*
Luke Stocker
Vic Thomas
LaMarcus Thompson

Forgettable 4/5*
Ramone Johnson
Darius Myers
Brent Vinson

Forgettable 3*
Blake Garrettson
Justin Garrett
Quinton Hancock
Dustin Lindsey
Chase Nelson
Jarrod Shaw
Lee Smith
Nick Stephens
Dorian Davis
Stephaun Raines

Hancock made a more meaningful contribution than Fisher and several others you mentioned.