Recruiting Tidbits

#26
#26
For those who are interested:

From '02 thru '10
we signed 90 3 star players
I counted 26 as notable (range is from started at some point all the way up to major contributor)
That's a 29% success rate.

To me, the 3 star rate sounds pretty low but for a major program maybe it's not that low.
I was surprised we signed that many 3 star players in that span. I would say if we were more succesful as a team during that span a few things would be different.
- we would have signed a lot fewer 3 star players in each class and the one's we did sign would have been cherry picked as the cream of the crop. In that scenario, the success rate of 3 star players might go up

Anyway, a couple of people asked for the 3 star numbers so there they are.
 
#27
#27
One other thought I just had as I looked at those numbers, the low success rate for the 3 stars could be a big indicator to the previous coaching staff's lack of ability to take kids with potential and coach them and develop them into solid contributors.

I believe our current staff will do a better job of bringing players in and then actually making them better. Time will tell.
 
#28
#28
Matt Toeaina is the player who is having some success in the NFL. He is a DT for the Chicago Bears and is Albert's brother.
 
#32
#32
utdw331 said:
Wasn't. Crompton a forgettable 5* and his great teammate briscoe was horrible too
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I'm almost positive Crompton was a 4*. But, that doesn't mean he wasn't highly recruited. Many wanted him. He went through a lot here. We really failed him more than he failed us. You gotta give the kid some props. Dude endured more sh*t than most college kids.
 
#33
#33
Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.
 
#36
#36
Guys, don't forget that L.B. from Jackson Tennessee,
Daniel Brooks. He saw very little playing time and in his junior season, was kicked off of the team. He was a 4* or 5*. Bo Hardagree came as a package deal with Brooks.
 
#37
#37
AlaskaVol said:
Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.
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Wow! I started to reply to your post and try to explain how far off track your response is from the actual intent of the thread but then I saw your avatar and realized you are so disconnected from reality that there's really no point in trying to explain. :crazy:
 
#38
#38
AlaskaVol said:
Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.
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STARS dont mean JACK-SQUAT!!! All they mean is you got the money to go to all the camps to get the stars.
 
#39
#39
nikesportsfan said:
He was one of the top linebackers in the country and from Tenn. He transferred last year to UTC I believe? Never played up to his talent and barely saw the field. Similar situation to Jerod Askew.
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:no:He never played up to his talent is not really correct. He is playing at Chattanooga and is a good player, but I wouldn't call him a star. He was just simply over rated as a lot of these guys are that are 4 or 5 stars. That's why a coaches evaluation is what counts and not a bunch of reporters. A lot of you think stars are all that counts and have a reason when they bust as a lot do and another excuse when a 3 star is successful and you keep paying your $100 or whatever it is.
 
#40
#40
Bloodrunsorange27 said:
For those who are interested:

From '02 thru '10
we signed 90 3 star players
I counted 26 as notable (range is from started at some point all the way up to major contributor)
That's a 29% success rate.

To me, the 3 star rate sounds pretty low but for a major program maybe it's not that low.
I was surprised we signed that many 3 star players in that span. I would say if we were more succesful as a team during that span a few things would be different.
- we would have signed a lot fewer 3 star players in each class and the one's we did sign would have been cherry picked as the cream of the crop. In that scenario, the success rate of 3 star players might go up

Anyway, a couple of people asked for the 3 star numbers so there they are.
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Thanks for the info. Very interesting. Thats actually about what I thought. If you have any more spare time you could do the 4 stars :bow2: My hypothesis is that 4 stars might have a better success percentage than 5 stars. More talent than the 3's but not as much drama/diva crap as 5's.
 
#42
#42
I don't buy into all the recruiting nonsense. 2 3 or 4 years from now its not going to be 3* player lining up against a 5*. Between twitter facebook and rivals we know way too much about these kids. And therefore, unrealistic expectations. This kid under performed. That kid over performed. Let's just develop talent and put players in the right situation to succeed.
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#43
#43
utdw331 said:
Wasn't. Crompton a forgettable 5* and his great teammate briscoe was horrible too
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Crompton is not forgettable and he was a 4*. Crompton sucked for most of his career, but he finished strong and EVERY UT fan that lived to see it will remember him.
 
#44
#44
leffie said:
While I don't completely disagree with the sentiment since many times there are diamonds in the rough, your comment neglects the fact the 02-10 is possibly one of the roughest stretches in UT football history. Perhaps b/c we are relying on too many 3* players (along with too many 5* busts). Let's hope we get a few Luke Stocker types in this bunch coming in.
Go Vols!
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Worse than 1970-1984?
 
#45
#45
Strange recently had an article in the KNS on recruiting ranks, of all the All American teams members 25 in total on there, 17 were 3*, 3 each were 4* and 5*, and 0ne was a 2*, he was using the Rivals database for the recruiting rankings of the players the atricle was entitled Mike Strange: All-American list filled with 3 -stars

I think it is pretty revealing that so many slots were filled by players that were just supposed to be good college players, while so few came from the can't miss rankings. Coach's evaluation and coaching them up still matters more than a so called recruiting experts opinion of their skills, is what all this tells me at the end of the day. How else does a 2 star player center from TCU end up on the list.:question:
 
#46
#46
AlaskaVol said:
Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.
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i always thought your hero got his share of top recruits..it was just he and his staff couldnt get them coached to potential..our 4's and 5's stayed the same while other teams 3's became men
 
#47
#47
AlaskaVol said:
Saban, the standard for coaches according to many on this site, must be a stupid recruiter.

Alabama
20 recruits
12-4 stars
2-5 stars

That is about 75% of his recruits being 4 star or better. Jeez, some of you must think he needs to replace some of these guys with 3 and 2 star players? Bolderdash. STARS COUNT!! Sometimes luck affects the outcome.
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Are those stars by rivals, scout, or espn? I'm just wondering which site is right. Maybe it's the business side of me but if these coaches made there success off of these fat-a$$ journalists and their in site, then why pay these millions of dollars to coaches for the off season and not just offer them jobs as recruiting coordinators and be done with it?
 
#48
#48
James Banks forgettable? I don't think so. His career was cut short for off the field issues, but when he played WR he was productive and super talented. He made some big catches and even played a little QB when he was a Frosh when we had no one else to turn too.
 
#49
#49
A couple of things:

1- Talent is talent. The rankings doled out by the recruiting services are by no stretch fool proof. They have a VERY strong political element- they notice who is recruiting a kid and who isn't. Kids are marketed to the recruiting services in an effort to get them better offers (even when they sometimes don't deserve them). There is a strong subjective element trying to determine whose talent will translate. There is variance within the objective data coming out of camps. They cannnot perfectly assess performance because of the wide variance in competition. They cannot account for underdeveloped kids that will excel in college. They cannot account for guys who simply don't have their heads right like Askew.

They miss alot more than they find... but the ones they find have a decent success percentage.

2- During the period in question, UT got ALOT of flawed 4* and 5* players that other teams had passed over. If a 5* escapes FL... there's a reason.

Kiffin didn't do that much better than Fulmer. Nuke is gone. J Jackson is supposedly flirting with disaster. Brown was a head case and is gone. Myles is gone. Overall, five of the 14 4-5* players that CLK can take complete credit for are gone or never made it. At least two more are looking alot like busts. Bray, James, Miller, Jackson, Gordon, Oku, and Teague are have contributed but Oku and JJ may not make it.

That isn't a good success rate less than two years into their eligibility. They got "stars" but they haven't made it for various... possibly predictable... reasons.

Dooley is a "process" oriented manager of virtually everything including recruiting. I don't know if he will do it or not but if you are going to find the 3* gems and avoid the blue chip busts.... it will be the product of a very good process of evaluation.
 
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