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Controlling who comes in and out of your country is not living in fear. It's common sense. If you have a locking door on your house you should understand this. Everyone who locks their door isn't an isolationist living in fear. It's just having the good sense to get out of the rain. Also if you're a socialist and you're over 23 years old then you are void of any understanding of the reality of humanity. Then theres the whole thing of how its completely counter to the point of our country in the first place. Otherwise we may as well have joined the Soviet Union after WWII. The thing about socialism in particular is that you always reach a point where you run out of other people's money. ie Greece
 
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Skullbone said:
Controlling who comes in and out of your country is not living in fear. It's common sense. If you have a locking door on your house you should understand this. Everyone who locks their door isn't an isolationist living in fear. It's just having the good sense to get out of the rain. Also if you're a socialist and you're over 23 years old then you are void of any understanding of the reality of humanity. Then theres the whole thing of how its completely counter to the point of our country in the first place. Otherwise we may as well have joined the Soviet Union after WWII. The thing about socialism in particular is that you always reach a point where you run out of other people's money. ie Greece
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Who's talking about Socialism in regards to who comes in and out of the country? The terrorist want the US to be in isolation and out of their countries. That's one of their points. After 9/11 two different presidents have stressed that we are not going to live in fear hence why the door isn't locked. Will there be measures to tighten up who comes in, sure there will.
But no wall is being built..
 
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Terrible loss/year for Riverdale. Jr had his moments though.
 

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What is the primary role of the President and government? To protect the country. Two presidents can stress whatever they want. They also can be and are totally wrong. Their role is to do the will of the people which is reflected in the laws and Constitution of the country. They don't get the right to do what they want when they want to do it. That is why the American people currently despise most of their elected officials. A Trump cannot happen as even a viable candidate if the existing elected officials were administering the existing laws.

Illegals come here and countries that provide sanctuary to run away from their own problems at home. If there is anything we can do it is to help them solve the issues where they live. Look at the mess in Europe today because the powers that be turned away from solving issues at their back doors. So France mourns their dead as this is written and the problem worsens. This compassionate appeasement junk doesn't work. It destroys from within.
 
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Vols4us said:
What is the primary role of the President and government? To protect the country. Two presidents can stress whatever they want. They also can be and are totally wrong. Their role is to do the will of the people which is reflected in the laws and Constitution of the country. They don't get the right to do what they want when they want to do it. That is why the American people currently despise most of their elected officials. A Trump cannot happen as even a viable candidate if the existing elected officials were administering the existing laws.

Illegals come here and countries that provide sanctuary to run away from their own problems at home. If there is anything we can do it is to help them solve the issues where they live. Look at the mess in Europe today because the powers that be turned away from solving issues at their back doors. So France mourns their dead as this is written and the problem worsens. This compassionate appeasement junk doesn't work. It destroys from within.
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So what is your answer for us/America to solve their problems in the refugees countries?
 
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74volz said:
So what is your answer for us/America to solve their problems in the refugees countries?
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It's has to be a continental, country by country approach. Europe has to be instrumental in handling their side of the world. We should take zero refugees from over there. We have already helped them with the blood of our military far too long. There has to be an understanding that we will help them in matters of NATO and national defense, but they need to do the heavy lifting on the rest. We are broke and have enough to deal with over on this side of the Atlantic. Nobody rushed to our aid while the millions have been crossing over our borders lately. We don't need the oil from that cesspool of the world below Europe. We have access to all we need here and throughout the Americas. So they need to do what they need to do.

There is no one single answer for here, there are hundreds of things that need to be done in the Americas alone. Not the least of which is to establish a more formal law enforcement bond with binding teeth in the agreement between all friendly nations in the Americas. There is a financial aspect - by reducing the crime and drug flow there is a great deal of money being saved here along with keeping a portion of our population alive and productive. Part of the savings can go to those deserving of it to help support their efforts. There has to be a tougher approach to illegal crossings. If some south of the border are unwilling to do their part to deter it, they get the deportations to deal with along with a tougher approach on economic development assistance, which is a big carrot. You don't even have to use governmental resources. Our capital markets and international businesses thrive in helping other countries because it is a win-win for both. It is simple to implement even more incentive to do so via changes in the tax laws with all of the trillions sitting in foreign accounts that will not come home for use due to the current tax laws. Sure, lowering the rate enough to bring it home helps, but targeting some of it toward establishing businesses and jobs in neighboring countries can be part of the modification.

We all know the issues that are causing the flow from the Carribean, south, and central America. If the immigrating/refugee citizens in those countries had good opportunities for employment, good medical and good access to reasonable housing in a governmental structure they keeps them safe - they would stay. Isolate and attack each country and situation one by one. The savings in the US would more than pay the cost. An example: our church and denomination send missionary teams and locate permanent missionaries to Guatemala to provide medical and housing assistance. For the most part they are safer there than we are here as long as cartels are controlled. In general the people are wonderful and genuine. But they leave because of the need for income. Still waiting to see the great Washington DC assist that country grow their economic base to help them instead of throwing money occasionally to corrupt politicians. Yet we know that country is supplying many illegals to our country. Economic growth is only part of the answer, but it is a big part along with adequate policing of the bad guys. We have tremendous expertise and resources for both that are severely under utilized because we spread our resources too thin and refuse to reduce the tax rate to incent businesses to help.

Solved. lol. Not really. Just food for thought, 74.
 
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Vols4us said:
It's has to be a continental, country by country approach. Europe has to be instrumental in handling their side of the world. We should take zero refugees from over there. We have already helped them with the blood of our military far too long. There has to be an understanding that we will help them in matters of NATO and national defense, but they need to do the heavy lifting on the rest. We are broke and have enough to deal with over on this side of the Atlantic. Nobody rushed to our aid while the millions have been crossing over our borders lately. We don't need the oil from that cesspool of the world below Europe. We have access to all we need here and throughout the Americas. So they need to do what they need to do.

There is no one single answer for here, there are hundreds of things that need to be done in the Americas alone. Not the least of which is to establish a more formal law enforcement bond with binding teeth in the agreement between all friendly nations in the Americas. There is a financial aspect - by reducing the crime and drug flow there is a great deal of money being saved here along with keeping a portion of our population alive and productive. Part of the savings can go to those deserving of it to help support their efforts. There has to be a tougher approach to illegal crossings. If some south of the border are unwilling to do their part to deter it, they get the deportations to deal with along with a tougher approach on economic development assistance, which is a big carrot. You don't even have to use governmental resources. Our capital markets and international businesses thrive in helping other countries because it is a win-win for both. It is simple to implement even more incentive to do so via changes in the tax laws with all of the trillions sitting in foreign accounts that will not come home for use due to the current tax laws. Sure, lowering the rate enough to bring it home helps, but targeting some of it toward establishing businesses and jobs in neighboring countries can be part of the modification.

We all know the issues that are causing the flow from the Carribean, south, and central America. If the immigrating/refugee citizens in those countries had good opportunities for employment, good medical and good access to reasonable housing in a governmental structure they keeps them safe - they would stay. Isolate and attack each country and situation one by one. The savings in the US would more than pay the cost. An example: our church and denomination send missionary teams and locate permanent missionaries to Guatemala to provide medical and housing assistance. For the most part they are safer there than we are here as long as cartels are controlled. In general the people are wonderful and genuine. But they leave because of the need for income. Still waiting to see the great Washington DC assist that country grow their economic base to help them instead of throwing money occasionally to corrupt politicians. Yet we know that country is supplying many illegals to our country. Economic growth is only part of the answer, but it is a big part along with adequate policing of the bad guys. We have tremendous expertise and resources for both that are severely under utilized because we spread our resources too thin and refuse to reduce the tax rate to incent businesses to help.

Solved. lol. Not really. Just food for thought, 74.
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I agree that other countries need to step up in that region to destroy Isis. Surrounding countries are very against the attacks and need to do something. That needs to take place on a grand scale. Us invading Iraq is the reason Isis formed and trying to instill democracy. Bad choice. Don't know if invading Syria and Iraq again would solve much. It's a very tricky situation. As far as refugees, I hope the surrounding countries can take them in as much as possible to stay near their home country. So one day they can go back if when it can be tolerable again. But more than likely some refugees will come here. To be tolerable again may take a while though. Assad needs to be gone, he's horrible. And he blamed France's tactics for the attacks. Eff him. Also, it needs to rain there for months. Syria is in a massive drought and is a contributing factor to why so many people were swarming from the country side into the cities causing an outbreak of civilian war in the beginning. It's a mess of a terrible situation.

What do you mean that we are broke here? Military spending? We have the largest military in the world and spend more on military than any other country.

Countries coming to our aid with Mexicans coming into the country? What on earth? Are the Mexicans destroying the country? That's a really weird thing to say. Big corporations and the dumb trickle down economics that Reagan started to me is what's been crumbling this country for a long time. But that's another conversation.

I was interested in the theory of stopping Isis, but for some reason you went off on the Mexican hate. But ok...
 
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This isn't meant to insensitive so I hope it isnt taken that way.

But if this true:

@playit: "They were here to kill as many people as possible." @60Minutes interviews eyewitnesses to the Paris terror attacks https://t.co/BU5H4a0fGP


Then the terrorist failed miserably. Sporting event and a concert with 8 mad men with suicide bombs and guns things could have been much worse.

I recall pulling a tailgating trainer with a few 100 feet Neyland stadium the first game after September and being terrified that the trailer wasn't even checked by security.

I am very afraid we are going to have an oklanhoma city type bombing at a sporting even where the casualties are in the thousands and not the hundreds like Paris.
 
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sigchig said:
A whole lot of assumption in your post, and I said none of it. Pretty sad to see such judgmental behavior for something and someone you know nothing about.
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Says the person who said this:

"See? You have acted like a selfish person. Proving my point."

Just so you know, my wife and I donate 12%-15% of our salary weekly to others in need. So I wouldn't say I'm selfish. Can you say the same? So you making assumptions about me feels very condescending and smug.

I just think wanting to take from someone who has more than I do is very greedy, envious and to be honest theft. If you believe in the facets of socialism then you should practice them. Have a good day.
 
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zhangliao04 said:
There are already IS sleeper cells in America, IMO.
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There no doubt in my mind about this!!
Nor is there with the above statement about a Oklahoma City type incident at a major sporting event someday. I pray to God that there never is, but as long as our current administration keeps operating the way it is, I'd say it's highly likely.
 
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#8,943
The guy who made this was suspended from Facebook for posting it. Unbelievable.
 

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You guys do realize that the refugees are the people trying to escape war and get away from the terrorism, right? They're victims who have lived through things I can't imagine. Terrorist groups have much easier ways to enter Europe and the US than going through all of the red tape, background checks, time, money, hassle, living in limbo, life-threatening border crossings etc. that are involved in trying to get refugee status.
 
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#8,946
Most of this would not be happening right now had it not been for the Obama Arab Spring. What a democracy movement that turned out to be.
 
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highspeed said:
You guys do realize that the refugees are the people trying to escape war and get away from the terrorism, right? They're victims who have lived through things I can't imagine. Terrorist groups have much easier ways to enter Europe and the US than going through all of the red tape, background checks, time, money, hassle, living in limbo, life-threatening border crossings etc. that are involved in trying to get refugee status.
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Yes we know that but the problem is a few single renegades claiming to be refugees ruin it for the large majority that really need help
 
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Catbone said:
Free speech is definitely dying.
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Not sure that free speech is dying because we have idiots who open their mouths and use pens everyday. Free speech, however, is through governmental action. Facebook is a company and can censor because anything posted on it effects its business. It is not a government actor. I really don't know exactly what the carton is about, but if he had blown it up on a sign and held it on public property in his town, then he wouldn't have any issues. This all gets lost in the free speech debate.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Not sure that free speech is dying because we have idiots who open their mouths and use pens everyday. Free speech, however, is through governmental action. Facebook is a company and can censor because anything posted on it effects its business. It is not a government actor. I really don't know exactly what the carton is about, but if he had blown it up on a sign and held it on public property in his town, then he wouldn't have any issues. This all gets lost in the free speech debate.
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Exactly. People seem to confuse that free speech says that the government can't take actions to censure you. It had nothing to do with private companies.
 
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highspeed said:
You guys do realize that the refugees are the people trying to escape war and get away from the terrorism, right? They're victims who have lived through things I can't imagine. Terrorist groups have much easier ways to enter Europe and the US than going through all of the red tape, background checks, time, money, hassle, living in limbo, life-threatening border crossings etc. that are involved in trying to get refugee status.
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In heart I understand what you mean, but there are other things to consider. First, we know at least 13% of Syrian refugees polled support ISIS according to the Arab Center for Research and Policy Studies. Secondly, a recent bipartisan House Homeland Security report concluded, "We have largely failed to stop Americans from traveling overseas to join jihadists,.. and several dozen also managed to make it back to into America." If we can't handle that then there's no way we can effectively vet 100,000 refugees a year coming from places with no real data to use in a vetting process, especially Syria. Add to that the fact that studies also show that 70% of Al Qaeda operatives joined in terrorism after moving to a new country. Congressional reports have already warned that Islamic radicalization is currently taking place at an "unprecedented speed" thus "straining federal law enforcement's ability to monitor and intercept suspects." There are serious investigations right now in all 50 states. Heck, 25% of American Muslims polled by The Center for Security Policy agree that "violence against Americans here in the United States can be justified as part of the global jihad.” The answer isn't to compound our problem further with hoards of unassimilated foreigners. I would rather pay another country to keep them up if anything at all which is just as humane.
 
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