Recruiting forum off topic thread (merged)

[Glitch]

would you fret over the death of an amoeba?

God created it therefore it is special and purposeful.

 

[Glitch]

Serious conundrum. The right (basically the biblical right) seek to outlaw all abortions. That same right wants to cut social programs (i.e.food stamps). Not sure how many abortions were performed in the U.S. last year, but for debates sake, let's say 1.2 million. Now lets say (also for debates sake), that 80% of that 1.2 million are born to poor, unwed, and in some cases - drug addled baby receptacles. Just out of curiosity, what % of those unwanted babies will end up on the food stamp rolls that the right wants to cut? Then multiply that number by, oh lets say 20 years.
For the record, I abhor abortions, even the mention of it. As a male, it's really none of my business if a woman wants an abortion or not. As a taxpayer, I'd like to think I have a say on how we spend our monies (I know, big dreams).

The "right" also give more to charity than the "left". It should not be the role of the federal government to care for the poor. It is much to cumbersome an organization to be efficient at such a task.

 

[Glitch]

You are male and have every right to stand up to injustice regarding life. You help create life. Human right, not a tax burden.

And it's 1.4 million each year, 3,000 a day!

That is a lot of potentially amazing people killed every day. What contributions to society could those lives have made?

 

[Mick]

God created it therefore it is special and purposeful.

Like the plague which killed millions.

 

[Glitch]

Like the plague which killed millions.

Yep. He also flooded the world killing all but eight people because the world was so evil.

 

[Catbone]

Like the plague which killed millions.

And cancer. Sorry glichtenwalter just playing devils advocate

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Waaay too much religion in this reply. I'll let you be. There's zero point in having a logical discussion if you can't see past your scripture. Which is totally fine. I'm bored with this topic now anyway...

I can't see past scripture because Paul tells Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 that "All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto every good work." You know what this tells me...that everything that I need to make it in this life and to make decisions in this life can be found in God's Word. Actually Peter says the same thing in 2 Peter 1:3..."His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence." The reason I can't have a logical discussion without scripture is because God tells me that I should use scripture in all that I do. I pray you might one day look back on this and realize you can never have too much God in your life. He is the source for all things. Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

Oh...GO VOLS!!!

 

[Coleslaw]

The "right" also give more to charity than the "left". It should not be the role of the federal government to care for the poor. It is much to cumbersome an organization to be efficient at such a task.

There is recent research that indicates no difference in level of charitable giving between the two, but significant differences in the types of charities they contribute to.

The most profound thing I recall a Sunday school teacher saying: "every social program is a failure of the church"

 

[Glitch]

I can't see past scripture because Paul tells Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 that "All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto every good work." You know what this tells me...that everything that I need to make it in this life and to make decisions in this life can be found in God's Word. Actually Peter says the same thing in 2 Peter 1:3..."His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence." The reason I can't have a logical discussion without scripture is because God tells me that I should use scripture in all that I do. I pray you might one day look back on this and realize you can never have too much God in your life. He is the source for all things. Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."

Oh...GO VOLS!!!

Amen. And amen.

 

[Mick]

And cancer. Sorry glichtenwalter just playing devils advocate

Just some of the tools god uses to control the population.

 

[Glitch]

There is recent research that indicates no difference in level of charitable giving between the two, but significant differences in the types of charities they contribute to.

The most profound thing I recall a Sunday school teacher saying: "every social program is a failure of the church"

I would agree with your second point. The government took that role over during and after the Great Depression and the church has not fought hard enough to regain their role.

 

[74volz]

I can't see past scripture because Paul tells Timothy in 2 Timothy 3:16-17 that "All scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly furnished unto every good work." You know what this tells me...that everything that I need to make it in this life and to make decisions in this life can be found in God's Word. Actually Peter says the same thing in 2 Peter 1:3..."His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence." The reason I can't have a logical discussion without scripture is because God tells me that I should use scripture in all that I do. I pray you might one day look back on this and realize you can never have too much God in your life. He is the source for all things. Colossians 3:17 "And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him."

Good grief man, do you talk to everyone like this? Quoting scripture is great and all, but I was looking for a logical debate/conversation whatever. I respect your religion and all. But I took my religious blinders off a long long time ago and I can see way more clearer now on how the world works better than ever. I'm bowing out of this religious zany fest before it gets way out of hand. But good luck to you..

 

[Ashevolle]

lets say that we reach a technological level where we can turn the human reproductive organs on and off like modern plumbing. we could simply turn every males plumbing off until they decide to turn it on for themselves. would any of you oppose this? obviously a hypothetical but that would seem to cure the problem and may not be that far off

 

[Ashevolle]

God created it therefore it is special and purposeful.

im just curios whether you eat factory farmed meat. cause what we do to the animals that feed most of the population is straight out of a horror film. such reverence for life would suggest that you would be as devoted to animal rights.

 

[Glitch]

Good grief man, do you talk to everyone like this? Quoting scripture is great and all, but I was looking for a logical debate/conversation whatever. I respect your religion and all. But I took my religious blinders off a long long time ago and I can see way more clearer now on how the world works better than ever. I'm bowing out of this religious zany fest before it gets way out of hand. But good luck to you..

I don't want to just quote more scripture at you but by taking your "religious blinders" off you are missing the point. All the worldly things are not of the Father and are merely distractions to keep us from focusing on Him.

1 John 2:15 - 2:17
Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.

 

[Glitch]

im just curios whether you eat factory farmed meat. cause what we do to the animals that feed most of the population is straight out of a horror film. such reverence for life would suggest that you would be as devoted to animal rights.

We do our best to buy natural hormone free meat and eggs yes. I do love animals. They are wonderful and beautiful. They are also delicious.

 

[Catbone]

We do our best to buy natural hormone free meat and eggs yes. I do love animals. They are wonderful and beautiful. They are also delicious.

Yeah I don't see anything wrong with hunting and eating animals as long as

1) it's done in a humane way
2) the species isn't endangered

 

[engineerVOL]

Everything is placed on earth for our utilization. We need to take care of it. We also try our best to purchase more natural foods but it is very hard to do and very expensive.

You cannot ask a Christian to take off the "blinders" for everything he does is patterned after scripture. We continually fail at that however so it's important to recite scripture and carry each other's burdens. The entirety of it is founded on love.

 

[Ashevolle]

We do our best to buy natural hormone free meat and eggs yes. I do love animals. They are wonderful and beautiful. They are also delicious.

in the end, the aborting of an unborn fetus before 12 weeks gestation morally troubles me less than the suffering and slaughter of of a fully grown and undeniably living animal. i like neither and would prefer that neither were necessary. however i find it funny that some would be so opposed to abortion on grounds that life is sacred while eating chick-fil-a.

 

[Ashevolle]

Yeah I don't see anything wrong with hunting and eating animals as long as

1) it's done in a humane way
2) the species isn't endangered

hunting like murder is the ultimate act of violence. it is the ending of the life of another for ones own selfish aims. it shares that in common with abortion if you believe that a fetus is alive. much like the abortion issue, it can easily be argued that meat eaters are morally unjust.

 

[Catbone]

in the end, the aborting of an unborn fetus before 12 weeks gestation morally troubles me less than the suffering and slaughter of of a fully grown and undeniably living animal.

Even if you eat the animal and it's done in a humane way?

 

[Ashevolle]

Everything is placed on earth for our utilization. We need to take care of it. We also try our best to purchase more natural foods but it is very hard to do and very expensive.

You cannot ask a Christian to take off the "blinders" for everything he does is patterned after scripture. We continually fail at that however so it's important to recite scripture and carry each other's burdens. The entirety of it is founded on love.

i gave up christianity many years ago. the idea that everything in existence was put here for humanity to utilize is a very dangerous and self-centric idea. it is cavalier to suggest that we are that important in the grand scheme of things given the overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

 

[Ashevolle]

Even if you eat the animal and it's done in a humane way?

yes because i dont think humans have any superior right to life than our neighboring species. therefore choosing between something that is unquestionably alive and another thing that is only debatably alive, i choose life. obviously, in a perfect world the "death" of neither would be ideal.

 

[KokoBVol]

Soooo...how about some dog farts. Or maybe someone would like to give us their workout tips.