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reVOLution33 said:
Not near as good as ole Vonore huh? Lol love Vonore looking to buy land there hopefully off niles ferry.
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I have been here 18 years, moving from the Atlanta area where we lived for 40 years. I see Niles Ferry road from my deck with the lake between. Tellico lake is better than Cherokee because the water level drops only 5-6 feet during the Winter. Cherokee drops to river level at many places North East of the Dam.
 
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WinginFlorida said:
NFLPA files grievance challenging league's national anthem policy

I guess the NFLPA can't help themselves...they're going to ride this issue until no one bothers watching games.
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If organizations don't stop politicizing sports people are going to stop watching. Numbers are already down significantly, especially for ESPN. They keep it up and viewers are going to keep leaving. We don't watch sports for politics.

And these players, who do they think pays their massive salaries? Jordan had it right. Democrats and Republicans both buy shoes. Keep politicizing everything and you'll make less money eventually.

Not smart business.
 
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WinginFlorida said:
A lot of people will. But, the number is declining and that ought to open some eyes. Yet it apparently doesn't.

I'm 150% behind their right to protest. But, I still think it is incredibly stupid business.
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I think we are on the same page here.

Citizens can do what citizens have the right to do, businesses can do what they have the right to do. Goodell has bumbled this thing so poorly from the get go.
 
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volfanngatorland said:
I think we are on the same page here.

Citizens can do what citizens have the right to do, businesses can do what they have the right to do. Goodell has bumbled this thing so poorly from the get go.
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The NFL leadership and the players totally miscalculated how the fans felt. Yet after getting a sense of public opinion, they then made the genius decision to double down. SMH...

I'll watch since I love sports. But I did cancel my Sunday Ticket package after having it for years and will not renew it again in 2018.
 
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WinginFlorida said:
A lot of people will. But, the number is declining and that ought to open some eyes. Yet it apparently doesn't.

I'm 150% behind their right to protest. But, I still think it is incredibly stupid business.
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People that were offended by the protests are the same ignorant people that the protests were meant to enlighten...

If you love this country, then you understand it's built into it to have the right to free speech/protest... there's a legitimate reason behind them and it has nothing to do with all of them hating America and/or disrespecting our military. Just because one particular person/network slanted their cause into something it was never intended to be doesn't make that person/network in the right or truthful.

All that aside, the article is pretty transparent about the NFLPA being more concerned with the precedence set than with the actual rule... and it was dumb of the NFL to make any rule without running it through the NFLPA in the first place... this was obviously coming.

...... And the entire issue aside...

I'm going to watch the highest level of football if/when they have "Vote for [insert political figure/message here]" tattoos, stickers, and capes... because I love football, it's played best in the NFL, and I'm a huge fantasy football geek...

Grow some thick skin... some of you guys would scoff at how "stupid" people are at a PETA for taking offense at Chik-Fil-A, but a couple guys take a knee at the start of an NFL game and it's "OMG, I can't watch this anymore!" :eek:lol:

Who cares man?
 
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WinginFlorida said:
The NFL leadership and the players totally miscalculated how the fans felt. Yet after getting a sense of public opinion, they then made the genius decision to double down. SMH...

I'll watch since I love sports. But I did cancel my Sunday Ticket package after having it for years and will not renew it again in 2018.
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I put this more on Goodell/NFL. The NBA has a similar anthem policy, but because the NBA has a better relationship with its PA and encourages individualism outside the court they are able to make it work for business purposes

Then you have Goodell being over the top authoritarian with his players, all the player punishment issues, Ray Rice scandal etc and the players have no trust in the leagues leadership. The NFL has priortized the "shield" over all else, including its own players, and they've put the NFLPA in a corner with this. If the NFLPA doesn't at least try to fight this I don't think it's far fetched to think the NFL would continue to try to limit player expression, even off the field
 
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People that were offended by the protests are the same ignorant people that the protests were meant to enlighten...

If you love this country, then you understand it's built into it to have the right to free speech/protest... there's a legitimate reason behind them and it has nothing to do with all of them hating America and/or disrespecting our military. Just because one particular person/network slanted their cause into something it was never intended to be doesn't make that person/network in the right or truthful.

All that aside, the article is pretty transparent about the NFLPA being more concerned with the precedence set than with the actual rule... and it was dumb of the NFL to make any rule without running it through the NFLPA in the first place... this was obviously coming.

...... And the entire issue aside...

I'm going to watch the highest level of football if/when they have "Vote for [insert political figure/message here]" tattoos, stickers, and capes... because I love football, it's played best in the NFL, and I'm a huge fantasy football geek...

Grow some thick skin... some of you guys would scoff at how "stupid" people are at a PETA for taking offense at Chik-Fil-A, but a couple guys take a knee at the start of an NFL game and it's "OMG, I can't watch this anymore!" :eek:lol:

Who cares man?
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Ironically, my decision to not pay for the Sunday Ticket package "hurts" them far worse than if I didn't turn the TV on. They don't get my money.

I could have told them at the beginning this wasn't going to turn out well. I was around for the protests as the Vietnam War dragged on. Vietnam became an incredibly unpopular issue, yet when the protesters started burning flags and degrading soldiers, the public went up in arms...the message was loud and clear, DO NOT mess with the flag. I've always been flabbergasted that no one in NFL leadership didn't remember that bit of history...they're a lot smarter than I am.
 
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BJHSVol said:
I put this more on Goodell/NFL. The NBA has a similar anthem policy, but because the NBA has a better relationship with its PA and encourages individualism outside the court they are able to make it work for business purposes

Then you have Goodell being over the top authoritarian with his players, all the player punishment issues, Ray Rice scandal etc and the players have no trust in the leagues leadership. The NFL has priortized the "shield" over all else, including its own players, and they've put the NFLPA in a corner with this. If the NFLPA doesn't at least try to fight this I don't think it's far fetched to think the NFL would continue to try to limit player expression, even off the field
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I agree with much of what you say regarding the existing lack of trust, but I still contend the decision, by BOTH the NFL and the players, to continue with these protests was dumb. The players wanted to continue the protests and the NFL acquiesced until it got to the point that something had to change from a business perspective.

It's one thing to turn on the nightly news to see politics and philosophical differences being argued and debated. But fans' expectations are far, far different when they turn on a game.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
People that were offended by the protests are the same ignorant people that the protests were meant to enlighten...

If you love this country, then you understand it's built into it to have the right to free speech/protest... there's a legitimate reason behind them and it has nothing to do with all of them hating America and/or disrespecting our military. Just because one particular person/network slanted their cause into something it was never intended to be doesn't make that person/network in the right or truthful.

All that aside, the article is pretty transparent about the NFLPA being more concerned with the precedence set than with the actual rule... and it was dumb of the NFL to make any rule without running it through the NFLPA in the first place... this was obviously coming.

...... And the entire issue aside...

I'm going to watch the highest level of football if/when they have "Vote for [insert political figure/message here]" tattoos, stickers, and capes... because I love football, it's played best in the NFL, and I'm a huge fantasy football geek...

Grow some thick skin... some of you guys would scoff at how "stupid" people are at a PETA for taking offense at Chik-Fil-A, but a couple guys take a knee at the start of an NFL game and it's "OMG, I can't watch this anymore!" :eek:lol:

Who cares man?
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Lol. That's rich. Telling people to suck it up and develop a thick skin. Why don't the players suck it up and develop a thick skin?

If it's not disrespecting our country, our flag, our military, why do it during the national anthem? All they are are a bunch attention seeking whores. Why don't they do it on there own dime instead of doing it by shoving it down people's throats that didnt come to watch that BS. I'll tell you why, because if they held a rally, they'd be hard pressed to line up a few dozen that gives a **** about their plight.

Let them continue their bull **** and I'll continue to turn them off. Used to be die hard NFL fan, I hardly watch now.
 
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While I firmly support the players right to protest, employers have the right to institute policies concerning political activities in the workplace. The NFL is in a tight spot, but the players don't pay the bills. The fans pay the bills. If enough fans leave the NFL will fail, or at least be a shadow of what it was. Likely, another league will rush in to fill the void because people still love football. The players and the owners need to be very careful because they are killing the proverbial goose that laid the golden egg.


While the First Amendment governs free speech rights, the protections apply only to state action. Employers have the ability to regulate political discussion in the workplace. First Amendment protections do apply to public employers and protects a public employee’s rights to free speech. While some states have statutes that regulate free speech in the work place, others do not.

A clear employment policy is the best way for employers to control politics in the workplace. Employers can discipline or discharge an employee for violation of workplace policies, as long as the policy is applied consistently to all employees. In most cases, employers should reserve discipline or discharge to instances where the employee’s conduct interferes with his/her work activities or creates a disruption in the workplace.
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Glitch said:
While I firmly support the players right to protest, employers have the right to institute policies concerning political activities in the workplace. The NFL is in a tight spot, but the players don't pay the bills. The fans pay the bills. If enough fans leave the NFL will fail, or at least be a shadow of what it was. Likely, another league will rush in to fill the void because people still love football. The players and the owners need to be very careful because they are killing the proverbial goose that laid the golden egg.




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Hate to do this but..... this^^^^^.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
People that were offended by the protests are the same ignorant people that the protests were meant to enlighten...

If you love this country, then you understand it's built into it to have the right to free speech/protest... there's a legitimate reason behind them and it has nothing to do with all of them hating America and/or disrespecting our military. Just because one particular person/network slanted their cause into something it was never intended to be doesn't make that person/network in the right or truthful.

All that aside, the article is pretty transparent about the NFLPA being more concerned with the precedence set than with the actual rule... and it was dumb of the NFL to make any rule without running it through the NFLPA in the first place... this was obviously coming.

...... And the entire issue aside...

I'm going to watch the highest level of football if/when they have "Vote for [insert political figure/message here]" tattoos, stickers, and capes... because I love football, it's played best in the NFL, and I'm a huge fantasy football geek...

Grow some thick skin... some of you guys would scoff at how "stupid" people are at a PETA for taking offense at Chik-Fil-A, but a couple guys take a knee at the start of an NFL game and it's "OMG, I can't watch this anymore!" :eek:lol:

Who cares man?
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If your protest isn’t accomplishing what you mean for it to accomplish, then maybe you should try something else...

I have no problem with voicing your concerns.

The way that this was best handled was by the Dallas Cowboys. Prior to the National Anthem, the ENTIRE team, coaches and management knelt to show solidarity and to bring attention to their cause. Then the ENTIRE group stood for the National Anthem. Attention was gathered but without alienating anyone.

The NFL and NFLPA have both handled this situation very poorly. They should notice that and change...but egos frequently screw things up.
 
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WinginFlorida said:
Ironically, my decision to not pay for the Sunday Ticket package "hurts" them far worse than if I didn't turn the TV on. They don't get my money.

I could have told them at the beginning this wasn't going to turn out well. I was around for the protests as the Vietnam War dragged on. Vietnam became an incredibly unpopular issue, yet when the protesters started burning flags and degrading soldiers, the public went up in arms...the message was loud and clear, DO NOT mess with the flag. I've always been flabbergasted that no one in NFL leadership didn't remember that bit of history...they're a lot smarter than I am.
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This protest would've faded away long ago if the president didn't stoke the embers. It was just Kaep and a few others doing it and Kaep was out of a job. It was all but done. Then he said they should be fired and called them sons of lady dogs and it went from a couple players to 100 and it became personal.

My only point is the NFL's original wait it out stance would have worked just fine until that happened. That induced an extreme reaction on both sides that spiraled to what it is today. I don't like politics in sports or entertainment or anywhere else really either. So I just ignore it whenever it occurs. Then I don't have to feel like I need to give up something I enjoy just because I don't agree with the actions of a couple people who provide that entertainment. Hopefully this doesn't get construed as some sort of political stance on my part because it's really not. Just countering the blame it all on the NFL part because I don't think they could have seen that coming really. I don't think they've handled it well since then but I do think that instant snuck up on them.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. That's rich. Telling people to suck it up and develop a thick skin. Why don't the players suck it up and develop a thick skin?
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You're right... they should develop thicker skin... thick enough to where police can't penetrate it with bullets over indiscriminate unarmed petty crimes... :eek:hmy:

I doubt they care that you're offended because you've been brainwashed into thinking it's about something it isn't about
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
If your protest isn’t accomplishing what you mean for it to accomplish, then maybe you should try something else...

I have no problem with voicing your concerns.

The way that this was best handled was by the Dallas Cowboys. Prior to the National Anthem, the ENTIRE team, coaches and management knelt to show solidarity and to bring attention to their cause. Then the ENTIRE group stood for the National Anthem. Attention was gathered but without alienating anyone.

The NFL and NFLPA have both handled this situation very poorly. They should notice that and change...but egos frequently screw things up.
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The players would be better served by reaching out to their local law enforcement agencies and minority community leaders and creating a forum for open dialogue between the parties. A big part of the problem is that everyone is pointing fingers at someone else. The communities are mad at the police for violence and harsh treatment. The police are mad at the communities for inciting violence against them. Yet nobody has thought to get the leaders of the groups together to discuss real ways to affect change. There are some crappy racist cops out there and there needs to be harsh penalties in place and an independent investigative body it an incident occurs. There are also some crappy racist minorities out that will take any opportunity to try to disparage or undermine our law enforcement officers, as seen recently when several officers were accused of racism but their body cams proved the exact opposite. This problem has reached a boiling point and needs to be addressed.... but kneeling during the National Anthem is getting zero accomplished.


Unless pissing off the consumer is something that they wanted to accomplish. If so...

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