Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

Status
Not open for further replies.
#2,526
#2,526
itsme said:
You are correct. Would you agree that the majority of the gun crime taking place is in liberal gun regulated areas, i.e. Chicago, Los Angeles, New York, Detroit and other major cities where people spew forth gun control?

I have no problem with a background check or a mental evaluation for the purchase of a gun. Also, if I were selling a gun and a guy with an Arabic sounding name came up wanting to buy I would have to think twice about selling to him in this day and age.
Click to expand...

I think it's a chicken and the egg type argument is those areas. Large cities are going to be more predisposed to crime in general, and gun crime because criminals have a better opportunity to make money there than in a lot of rural areas. And because there's a lot of gun crime in those areas, more people want gun control.

Not to say that it works or that we need more gun control, the statistics say otherwise. It just shows the system we have now isn't working. I just think understanding where the other side is coming from helps to actually reach a solution
 
#2,529
#2,529
Was talking about the Orlando shooting yesterday with my fam. My grandfather said that the Orlando shooter bought his gun legally and rightly through the system that the government has in place to purchase a gun. He also said that the FBI has had this dude on their "watch" list for a while. Anybody else hear about this? If so, then this is a case of the government messing up with itself. No idea how a dude on the FBI's watch list could buy a gun.
 
#2,530
#2,530
zhangliao04 said:
Was talking about the Orlando shooting yesterday with my fam. My grandfather said that the Orlando shooter bought his gun legally and rightly through the system that the government has in place to purchase a gun. He also said that the FBI has had this dude on their "watch" list for a while. Anybody else hear about this? If so, then this is a case of the government messing up with itself. No idea how a dude on the FBI's watch list could buy a gun.
Click to expand...

FBI spoke to him multiple times. Could not find any reason to arrest or charge him with anything. Case was closed. While it proved to be a bad move, obviously noone saw this coming.
 
#2,532
#2,532
VOLINVONORE said:
They do not support requiring background checks and delaying the purchase of guns at gun shows until they have been cleared. They do believe that there should be no restrictions on the purchase of assault weapons by anyone who wants to purchase them at gun shows. Anyone can purchase almost any weapon on the spot at gun shows if the purchaser tell only one little lie.
Click to expand...

Nope, you're wrong. Listening to the libs.
 
#2,533
#2,533
JacketVol said:
I understand fully what you are writing. However, what gives pause is how he let Git-mo terrorists go who have now killed more Americans recently along with Iran dealings ect that make you question MORE why he refuses to ever call them what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorist. I am not thinking he should just say Islam is responsible for this. But what is wrong with saying the people doing this are radical Islamic terrorist? I mean he has no problem calling out Right wing Christian gun hugging Bible carrying nuts. He loves to make fun of Christianity but not radical Islamic terrorist. This is what is confusing. I hope you get what I am saying because they are some people who do stupid things including killing people they do not agree with in the name of all kinds of religions. The only one he sidesteps is radical Islamic terrorist.
Click to expand...

This, this, and more this.
 
#2,534
#2,534
InVOLuntary said:
Nope, you're wrong. Listening to the libs.
Click to expand...

Sorry but you are wrong. In Knoxville one can purchase guns at the gun shows and the only question ask is," do you have cash"? I have seen a person sell 16 guns to one person and got $23,000 in cash. You need to get the facts before you speak.
 
#2,535
#2,535
VOLINVONORE said:
Sorry but you are wrong. In Knoxville one can purchase guns at the gun shows and the only question ask is," do you have cash"? I have seen a person sell 16 guns to one person and got $23,000 in cash. You need to get the facts before you speak.
Click to expand...


A dealer cannot sell a gun at a gunshow without conducting a background check. Only private citizens are allowed to sell their personal guns to individuals without background checks.

"Despite what some media commentators have claimed, existing gun laws apply just as much to gun shows as they do to any other place where guns are sold. Since 1938, persons selling firearms have been required to obtain a federal firearms license. If a dealer sells a gun from a storefront, from a room in his home or from a table at a gun show, the rules are exactly the same: he can get authorization from the FBI for the sale only after the FBI runs its “instant” background check (which often takes days to complete). As a result, firearms are the most severely regulated consumer product in the United States — the only product for which FBI permission is required for every single sale.

Conversely, people who are not engaged in the business of selling firearms, but who sell firearms from time to time (such as a man who sells a hunting rifle to his brother-in-law), are not required to obtain the federal license required of gun dealers or to call the FBI before completing the sale.

Similarly, if a gun collector dies and his widow wants to sell the guns, she does not need a federal firearms license because she is just selling off inherited property and is not “engaged in the business.” And if the widow doesn’t want to sell her deceased husband’s guns by taking out a classified ad in the newspaper, it is lawful for her to rent a table at a gun show and sell the entire collection.

If you walk along the aisles at any gun show, you will find that the overwhelming majority of guns offered for sale are from federally licensed dealers."

The Facts about Gun Shows | Cato Institute
 
#2,537
#2,537
Discussing gun ownership and legislation is basically spitting in the wind because both sides of the argument are incapable of any sort of compromise.

The truth is that there are problem(s). We get outraged any time we see symptoms of these problem(s). Then, invariably, we have venomous discussions about liberty, safety, rights, and the role of government. We water down those discussions with falsehoods, malice, and idiocy. Eventually, we end up doing nothing about the underlying problem(s) and dropping the discussion because it is truly a fruitless endeavor.

We have lost our ability to have tough conversations and compromise to attempt progress. We are now only able to spit bile at the other side. Society has to figure that particular problem out and we won't because we lack the ability to make concessions in discussions that include whatever principles we hold dear.

Fortunately, nature may figure it out for us. These viewpoints can be pretty well segmented across class and age. If the poor starve or die from disease, for example, we'll no longer have to worry about wealth inequality. If baby boomers die off and are replaced by millennials then we'll be stuck with whatever crap it is that they believe in. A bloody uprising could potentially tilt the balance between the poor and the middle class. I mean, why spend any time worrying about these problems? Let's continue on with the status quo.
 
#2,538
#2,538
JacketVol said:
I understand fully what you are writing. However, what gives pause is how he let Git-mo terrorists go who have now killed more Americans recently along with Iran dealings ect that make you question MORE why he refuses to ever call them what they are. They are radical Islamic terrorist. I am not thinking he should just say Islam is responsible for this. But what is wrong with saying the people doing this are radical Islamic terrorist? I mean he has no problem calling out Right wing Christian gun hugging Bible carrying nuts. He loves to make fun of Christianity but not radical Islamic terrorist. This is what is confusing. I hope you get what I am saying because they are some people who do stupid things including killing people they do not agree with in the name of all kinds of religions. The only one he sidesteps is radical Islamic terrorist.
Click to expand...

Yeah, I have no problem with calling them Islamic terrorists. Or radical Islam.
I had said broad stroke "Islam".
We have many over there willing to share info that helps us and many more that fight beside us. They actually take a stand and there's no reason to tick them off.
Call the terrorists whatever you choose and throw a few adjectives in for me. And even include those that are completely apathetic to the violence.
 
#2,539
#2,539
Wo ah E3 Microsoft was great. Buy a game on PC or Xbox One, and get the copy on the other platform free! and you can play against each other on different platforms, sweet
 
#2,540
#2,540
VOLINVONORE said:
Sorry but you are wrong. In Knoxville one can purchase guns at the gun shows and the only question ask is," do you have cash"? I have seen a person sell 16 guns to one person and got $23,000 in cash. You need to get the facts before you speak.
Click to expand...

You are correct but it has nothingto do with gun shows. It's called private party sales. A licensed gun dealer has to do background checks. You should really educate yourself before you make yourself look more foolish.

Also, how would that effect this tragedy?
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,543
#2,543
Catbone said:
Wo ah E3 Microsoft was great. Buy a game on PC or Xbox One, and get the copy on the other platform free! and you can play against each other on different platforms, sweet
Click to expand...

Interesting route they're going with the new wave of Xbox Ones. I'm still disappointed they're halting development the ability to use them as a DVR though. Would've really been their next step in trying to make their console a true home entertainment system.
 
#2,544
#2,544
InVOLuntary said:
You are correct but it has nothingto do with gun shows. It's called private party sales. A licensed gun dealer has to do background checks. You should really educate yourself before you make yourself look more foolish.

Also, how would that effect this tragedy?
Click to expand...

kelso-burn-o.gif


It wouldn't affect this tragedy or the last one or the next one for that matter. People that want to do harm with guns will find a way to get them. Making it harder on regular folks to purchase guns is not going to solve the problem.
 
  • Like
Reactions: 1 person
#2,545
#2,545
I'm really hoping they decide to give those with the 360 version of Skyrim the ability to pick up the remastered version on xbone for free.
 
Last edited:
New Posts

Status
Not open for further replies.
Advertisement



Back
Top