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Vols4us said:
What is being played out here are the differences between denominations and faith systems. The Bible is written in a manner that God wanted it written. It provides an open invitation to come and be restored to him. None of us think the same way and all of have been through different experiences. How could a step by step manual on being a Christian even work with all of those differences?

To gain a better understanding of the issue, please read the link below.

https://www.backtothebible.org/is-water-baptism-necessary-for-salvation-in-christ

Context matters a great deal in Bible study. Eph. 2:8 says it all as far as I am concerned. Prevenient grace that has been discussed multiple times on here. Free gift - acceptance means salvation.
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Right on. As I have stated in the past, people interpret writings differently. Fiction, nonfiction, legal, etc. The Bible is no different. The contention comes in when one sect says, "this is how we interpret it, and this is the only right answer." God will judge people for their heart and works.

I do respect all who have chimed in, but humans simply have differing opinions on every topic we discuss.
 
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Involuntary,

I keep giving you numerous scriptures and biblical examples with scripture about baptism and it occurring via immersion, yet have asked for one scripture for you...all you have given me is 3 articles written by an uninspired man.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Involuntary,

I keep giving you numerous scriptures and biblical examples with scripture about baptism and it occurring via immersion, yet have asked for one scripture for you...all you have given me is 3 articles written by an uninspired man.
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Vols4us posted an article yesterday that was informative. Not trying to get involved in your discussion.
 
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There are so many great, young, likeable golfers on tour right now. It's a really funny time to be a golf fan.

And man do I love this time on the sports calendar. Baseball starting up, Masters, March Madness, EPL and CL winding down. Love it
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
Involuntary,

I keep giving you numerous scriptures and biblical examples with scripture about baptism and it occurring via immersion, yet have asked for one scripture for you...all you have given me is 3 articles written by an uninspired man.
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I've not asked you for examples of biblical baptisms. You claim that the way I was baptized is forbidden. I've asked you for that scripture and all I've heard back is biblical examples of baptism.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Right on. As I have stated in the past, people interpret writings differently. Fiction, nonfiction, legal, etc. The Bible is no different. The contention comes in when one sect says, "this is how we interpret it, and this is the only right answer." God will judge people for their heart and works.

I do respect all who have chimed in, but humans simply have differing opinions on every topic we discuss.
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The bible can certainly be interpreted different ways, that's the nature of man and differing opinions we all have. But in my eyes, the bible has put a plan together that should be understood in one way with study. There is a separation between the bible and other books. Pretentious sounding? Yeah. Sorry, that's just my view, and it's not meant to offend.

Can we argue all day about some things, like the small details? Yes. The bible is difficult sometimes, no matter who you are. I think at the end of the day we have to leave it to the individual, and if we talk about it, stay respectful.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I've not asked you for examples of biblical baptisms. You claim that the way I was baptized is forbidden. I've asked you for that scripture and all I've heard back is biblical examples of baptism.
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InVol, do you not understand what he and I were trying to say? I'll say it again, but there's not much else to say...

If we want to figure how what baptism is, according to bible standards, then we have to look at the bible. What you are trying to do is illogical and honestly (and I mean this nicely), somewhat of a weak argument. I would rather base my conclusions off of given examples. Is that crazy?
 
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LittleCat said:
InVol, do you not understand what he and I were trying to say? I'll say it again, but there's not much else to say...

If we want to figure how what baptism is, according to bible standards, then we have to look at the bible. What you are trying to do is illogical and honestly (and I mean this nicely), somewhat of a weak argument. I would rather base my conclusions off of given examples. Is that crazy?
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To be nice I'll say this, both you and OG have a weak view of baptism and it's meaning. You both are so caught up in the ritual you miss it's true meaning. If you truly believe that full immersion is critical to the act of baptism then you're missing the whole meaning of baptism. Baptism is a cleansing of the soul and the method is so insignificant to the act itself it's ridiculous. If you can't see it then there's zero reason to continue this discussion.

I'm done with this. Please pray for me and all that have been sprinkled. We've been mislead and are destined to a life in hell.
 
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Vols4us said:
Jesus said in John 14:7 if you know him you also know the father. In 14:9 "He who has seen me has seen the Father." In John 14:16, 17 and 23 explains the Holy Spirit that he provides to help the disciples accomplish even greater things than him per John 14:12. That sounds really equal to me. Each has a different role, yet, each has equal power to accomplish what is desired by the triune God. Tri + unity = Triune.
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Trinity or triune godhead was instigated by council of Nicea. They also voted on the divinity of Jesus. You do know that the triune God is very pagan in nature right?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
To be nice I'll say this, both you and OG have a weak view of baptism and it's meaning. You both are so caught up in the ritual you miss it's true meaning. If you truly believe that full immersion is critical to the act of baptism then you're missing the whole meaning of baptism. Baptism is a cleansing of the soul and the method is so insignificant to the act itself it's ridiculous. If you can't see it then there's zero reason to continue this discussion.

I'm done with this. Please pray for me and all that have been sprinkled. We've been mislead and are destined to a life in hell.
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Weak? On the contrary I make the distinction b/c it's needed to truly complete what baptism entails. If you honestly believe in baptism, then you understand many take it seriously, so you wouldn't be shocked that people like myself will talk about it and what it truly involves. There are bigger issues than baptism out there. I'll just say that you should read the bible, if you want to take your views from the source, and not articles, and then make conclusions from that. Like I've said, I wish everything was simple. But it's not.

Thanks for talking. I always enjoy it. Take care.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
To be nice I'll say this, both you and OG have a weak view of baptism and it's meaning. You both are so caught up in the ritual you miss it's true meaning. If you truly believe that full immersion is critical to the act of baptism then you're missing the whole meaning of baptism. Baptism is a cleansing of the soul and the method is so insignificant to the act itself it's ridiculous. If you can't see it then there's zero reason to continue this discussion.

I'm done with this. Please pray for me and all that have been sprinkled. We've been mislead and are destined to a life in hell.
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Lol nice.

I'm not an organized religion guy and things like this argument you guys are having is a big reason why honestly. So many have all these rules they believe due to certain interpretations of their book but the next guy has a few differences and they both believe the other goes to hell. I don't know I just find that funny since no one really knows the truth.

FTR, I was " sprinkled"as a baby. Guess I'm screwed too (and everyone in my family)!
 
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JCLawyerVol said:
Y'all remember that time Randy Harkleroad scored 53?

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Not so much, but I do remeber when we almost beat a #1 ranked Louisville Male team that had Dr. Dunkestein on it..

Headlines were something like #1 in the Nation for 3 quarters... Haaa
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Lol nice.

I'm not an organized religion guy and things like this argument you guys are having is a big reason why honestly. So many have all these rules they believe due to certain interpretations of their book but the next guy has a few differences and they both believe the other goes to hell. I don't know I just find that funny since no one really knows the truth.

FTR, I was " sprinkled"as a baby. Guess I'm screwed too (and everyone in my family)!
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I'm still waiting for someone to show the part of the bible where Jesus explains the differences between Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Episcopalian, etc, so forth and so on.

I mean what was he thinking creating all these different denominations?.........
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Lol nice.

I'm not an organized religion guy and things like this argument you guys are having is a big reason why honestly. So many have all these rules they believe due to certain interpretations of their book but the next guy has a few differences and they both believe the other goes to hell. I don't know I just find that funny since no one really knows the truth.

FTR, I was " sprinkled"as a baby. Guess I'm screwed too (and everyone in my family)!
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It's a touchy subject. I don't condemn someone to hell, I just tried to respond to his points and said that if wants to get an answer, go to the bible, not articles. If I'm wrong, then sorry. We all understand things differently like InVol said.
 
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LittleCat said:
InVol, do you not understand what he and I were trying to say? I'll say it again, but there's not much else to say...

If we want to figure how what baptism is, according to bible standards, then we have to look at the bible. What you are trying to do is illogical and honestly (and I mean this nicely), somewhat of a weak argument. I would rather base my conclusions off of given examples. Is that crazy?
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:hi: We are given authority to do things through 3 ways: direct command, approved example (includes all those examples we have been referencing), and necessary inference (being able to use all of information provided to reach a necessary conclusion). Being baptized by immersion uses all 3 of those methods. Direct command: Matthew 28:18-20; Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38; 1 Peter 3:21; Romans 6:3-4. Approved example: Jesus' baptism to set the example for His disciples to follow in order to be a part of His kingdom (Matthew 3:13-17); Ethiopian eunuch (Acts 8:26-40); Saul's conversion in Acts 9 and 22. Necessary inference: based on the examples above that talk about going down into the water to be baptized and coming up out of the water, as well as Paul's message to the Romans about being buried with Christ in baptism, we can necessarily infer that baptism occurred via immersion. We can further prove that the original language and the original word that Jesus and the apostles used when talking about being baptized was "baptizo", which means to be immersed or submerged. When you combine all of this with the fact that God gave no other direct command, example, or info that we can necessarily infer that there is another form of baptism that's acceptable, then we conclude anything beyond this is an addition to God's word, which He specifically commanded against in Revelation 22:18-19. I'm not sure how I can make it any clearer.

I believe I have provided ample scriptures to support my belief. If someone could kindly provide scriptures showing direct command or approved biblical example of sprinkling for baptism, I would appreciate it, as I do not want to believe anything that's contrary to the doctrine of Christ.
 
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m1al said:
I'm still waiting for someone to show the part of the bible where Jesus explains the differences between Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian, Catholic, Episcopalian, etc, so forth and so on.

I mean what was he thinking creating all these different denominations?.........
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That is not Jesus' doing, but Satan's way to make people believe you can take any path you want to get to heaven. Jesus said that He is the Way, and if He is, then there should be one common belief and we should all be of one accord and one mind. He prayed for unity the night before He was crucified. He died for His church, and He said to be a part of His body/His church, you have to obey His commands. We see Paul talk about divisions among brethren in 1 Corinthians 1, and he vehemently condemned such things.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Lol nice.

I'm not an organized religion guy and things like this argument you guys are having is a big reason why honestly. So many have all these rules they believe due to certain interpretations of their book but the next guy has a few differences and they both believe the other goes to hell. I don't know I just find that funny since no one really knows the truth.

FTR, I was " sprinkled"as a baby. Guess I'm screwed too (and everyone in my family)!
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Ftr, I don't believe the other guys are going to hell. Casting judgment on them is wrong and sinful. That's God's job.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
To be nice I'll say this, both you and OG have a weak view of baptism and it's meaning. You both are so caught up in the ritual you miss it's true meaning. If you truly believe that full immersion is critical to the act of baptism then you're missing the whole meaning of baptism. Baptism is a cleansing of the soul and the method is so insignificant to the act itself it's ridiculous. If you can't see it then there's zero reason to continue this discussion.

I'm done with this. Please pray for me and all that have been sprinkled. We've been mislead and are destined to a life in hell.
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Respectfully as I can be about saying this, I have provided ample scripture and the original Greek word that defines baptism, yet I have asked for scriptural authority from you that support your beliefs of sprinkling being acceptable. You gave me 3 man-written articles, but not one scripture. Why? If you are basing views on the bible, I don't believe mine is weak at all.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
That is not Jesus' doing, but Satan's way to make people believe you can take any path you want to get to heaven. Jesus said that He is the Way, and if He is, then there should be one common belief and we should all be of one accord and one mind. He prayed for unity the night before He was crucified. He died for His church, and He said to be a part of His body/His church, you have to obey His commands. We see Paul talk about divisions among brethren in 1 Corinthians 1, and he vehemently condemned such things.
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Who knew that your interpretation was the authority on the matter? And when you guys say you're not condemning someone to hell you are doing exactly that by inference. If you don't do it my way, you can't have salvation. That's a very poor way and some would say sinful. You are indeed casting judgment whether you see it that way or not.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Ftr, I don't believe the other guys are going to hell. Casting judgment on them is wrong and sinful. That's God's job.
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I'm not judging you, Involuntary. I'm simply showing you scriptural evidence that supports my belief. If you feel judged based off of that, then take a step back and think as to why you might feel that way.
 
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