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LittleCat said:
I'm not sure if you are dodging the point I tried to make, or if it just sailed past you? The point being you can have belief in something. I can believe in Jesus. But the belief (or if you want to call it faith, hope, etc) is dead and ultimately can't save you alone.
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I think my point sailed over your head too.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, you've avoided mine as well. Show me in the scripture where baptism other than immersion is forbidden. All you've done is given me examples of other biblical baptisms. Did you read the article I linked?
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If I gave you a list of things to go buy at the store, and you went and bought 10 other things, did you follow my instructions? No.

In the same way, the bible can instruct us with example, and thus exclude the alternative. If the bible says baptism is type A, then we can infer it is not type B, C, or D.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, you've avoided mine as well. Show me in the scripture where baptism other than immersion is forbidden. All you've done is given me examples of other biblical baptisms. Did you read the article I linked?
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I posted before seeing your other post. I did answer your question about baptism other than immersion being forbidden. Go back and read my post, especially the last half. That's the my answer. Also, biblical example is one way we get authority to do things, so why wouldn't I use that as a means to show that immersion is God's approved form for baptism?
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol, you've avoided mine as well. Show me in the scripture where baptism other than immersion is forbidden. All you've done is given me examples of other biblical baptisms. Did you read the article I linked?
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So can you give example of other types of biblical baptisms?

As for the other article, it's actually interesting. I think the writer is confused about how belief and baptism go together, and makes some assumptions about events written in the bible (Especially about the thief).
 
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LittleCat said:
If I gave you a list of things to go buy at the store, and you went and bought 10 other things, did you follow my instructions? No.

In the same way, the bible can instruct us with example, and thus exclude the alternative. If the bible says baptism is type A, then we can infer it is not type B, C, or D.
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It doesn't say that. Just because that was the method of the day doesn't mean that. It doesn't say for proper baptism,

1. Gather up people that want to be baptized.
2. Find a priest that is willing to do the ceremony.
3. Find a body of water that is large enough to hold both the priest and the person wanting to be baptized.
4. Make sure water is safe with no crocodile or other animals that could hurt anyone. Also, make sure the water is of temperature to not be totally uncomfortable or dangerous.
5. Dress subject in a pretty white robe.
6. Place both parties in the water to a point where the person being baptized can be fully immersed safely.
7. After the priest says "I baptize you in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" fully immerse person being baptized under the water.
8. Make sure the priest holds the subject completely under water just to make sure nothing remains dry.
 
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LittleCat said:
I didn't think it much of a point to answer really lol. Still, you understand what I'm saying about belief vs belief and works? Very different things.
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Yes, I understand. Do you understand that if you really accept Christ then the other stuff is done too? If you really take the plunge the work, the service, the witness is a given.
 
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LittleCat said:
So can you give example of other types of biblical baptisms?

As for the other article, it's actually interesting. I think the writer is confused about how belief and baptism go together, and makes some assumptions about events written in the bible (Especially about the thief).
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So the authors interpretations are different than yours? Hmmm...

How about this one:
Do I Have To Be Baptized To Go To Heaven
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
You don't have to make a mockery about this topic and our discussions. Just don't say anything, if it's not important to you.
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Exactly. I really like Darth - but the agitation is unwarranted on a subject such as this. Take a number and wait for the next subject of interest.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Yes, I understand. Do you understand that if you really accept Christ then the other stuff is done too? If you really take the plunge the work, the service, the witness is a given.
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I wish it were that simple. But look at the verses if you want an honest answer.

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So the authors interpretations are different than yours? Hmmm...

How about this one:
Do I Have To Be Baptized To Go To Heaven
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It amazes me that people look at the stories like the two listed, misunderstand them, and make conclusions. How can you believe such concepts from biblical stories that directly go against other verses that are more direct?
 
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LittleCat said:
I wish it were that simple. But look at the verses if you want an honest answer.



It amazes me that people look at the stories like the two listed, misunderstand them, and make conclusions. How can you believe such concepts from biblical stories that directly go against other verses that are more direct?
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So what you're saying is that the author has a different interpretation than you do? HM....

How bout this one:
Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?
 
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What is being played out here are the differences between denominations and faith systems. The Bible is written in a manner that God wanted it written. It provides an open invitation to come and be restored to him. None of us think the same way and all of have been through different experiences. How could a step by step manual on being a Christian even work with all of those differences?

To gain a better understanding of the issue, please read the link below.

https://www.backtothebible.org/is-water-baptism-necessary-for-salvation-in-christ

Context matters a great deal in Bible study. Eph. 2:8 says it all as far as I am concerned. Prevenient grace that has been discussed multiple times on here. Free gift - acceptance means salvation.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
So what you're saying is that the author has a different interpretation than you do? HM....

How bout this one:
Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?
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Come on, now you're going to use the grammar argument of Mark 16? lol.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/605-assault-upon-mark-16-16-the

Honestly, I really wish it were as simple as you said. I wish I could just say "I believe", mean it, and be good. Would be easy.

Simple question. If you take Mark 16 to indicate baptism isn't needed, then why do other passages, in clear terms, say it is, and the consequences of rejecting it?
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
You don't have to make a mockery about this topic and our discussions. Just don't say anything, if it's not important to you.
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I know you are just being a condescending smartaleck Darth, but to answer that for those that don't know..You can't fool God.."I the Lord search the heart. I try the reins"..."Be not deceived, God is not mocked. For whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap".
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You guys sound angry. I'd be angry too if my communion didn't have any wine in it. Like, how am I supposed to work off the hangover if the church is too cheap get the good stuff to transubstantiate into Jesus' blood? Am I supposed to drink welch's? This is church not an AA meeting!
 
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LittleCat said:
Come on, now you're going to use the grammar argument of Mark 16? lol.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/605-assault-upon-mark-16-16-the

Honestly, I really wish it were as simple as you said. I wish I could just say "I believe", mean it, and be good. Would be easy.

Simple question. If you take Mark 16 to indicate baptism isn't needed, then why do other passages, in clear terms, say it is, and the consequences of rejecting it?
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So you have a different interpretation than that author too? Hmm..

I could go on but I think I made my point. You think you are right. I think I am right, the author thinks he is right. When you read the bible one can understand it's meaning differently. Thing is you and OG are trying to convince me that your opinion is the end all to this subject. I have a different viewpoint. You are taking out parts of the bible to fit your frame of mind. It's not as black and white as you make it out to be.

I believe the baptism is a ritual that is for Christians to partake to make them feel more spiritual and to witness to others. I believe it's another form of confession and giving yourself to Christ. As I've said I don't believe the act is critical to salvation and I believe that God looks at baptism a totally different way than some ritualistic ceremony. Baptism is bigger than that. Sorry to disappoint but you're not changing my mind. We should move on because the natives are getting restless. Please pray for this sinner.
 
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LittleCat said:
Come on, now you're going to use the grammar argument of Mark 16? lol.

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/605-assault-upon-mark-16-16-the

Honestly, I really wish it were as simple as you said. I wish I could just say "I believe", mean it, and be good. Would be easy.

Simple question. If you take Mark 16 to indicate baptism isn't needed, then why do other passages, in clear terms, say it is, and the consequences of rejecting it?
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Lol. That's not what I'm saying at all. Quite the 180. My point as simply as I can make it is if you believe and accept Christ you'll do the other things too. Smh
 
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LittleCat said:
I'm not sure if you are dodging the point I tried to make, or if it just sailed past you? The point being you can have belief in something. I can believe in Jesus. But the belief (or if you want to call it faith, hope, etc) is dead and ultimately can't save you alone.
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I believe what InVol is saying is that if you give your heart to Jesus, then you will follow his teachings, which include doing good work. The work results from following him. You guys are saying the same thing without directly expressing it.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Lol. That's not what I'm saying at all. Quite the 180. My point as simply as I can make it is if you believe and accept Christ you'll do the other things too. Smh
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Then why'd you post like 3 articles that had the same theme of "belief is all that is required, not baptism"?

Belief is important. I think we agree. All I'm saying is there it more to it than that. That includes baptism and faith with works.
 
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VolGee4 said:
I believe what InVol is saying is that if you give your heart to Jesus, then you will follow his teachings, which include doing good work. The work results from following him. You guys are saying the same thing without directly expressing it.
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Well then. I wish we had both been on the same page if that is the case lol.
 
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