Recruiting Forum Off-Topic Thread II

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itsme said:
Sorry so long.

Ez, sorry for the delay in response I have copied your response from the previous thread in order to respond to a few of your comments.

So in reference to they you mean black people? There goes that hidden racism, instead of referring ppl as Black or African American, you hide behind the word they or the ones to hide who you're referencing.

When I used the word they to describe a group I was referring those who the previous conversation was talking about. Similar to you using the word they to describe the same group in a previous post. Somehow my comment is deemed by you to be underlying racist. This is something that pisses me off to a great extent. I am a believer in all men are created equally and truly want truth and morality to thrive and racism to vanish including all races and all ways.

From your comments, to be honest, it seems that you want to find racism in everything. When MLK spoke on all men are created equal, he meant every race. Racism in any way shape or form is as equally as bad as the other. A white man calling an African American the n word is no different than you hatefully calling a white man a cracker. Racism is racism, and neither is right.

And with your other points, I could go all day in talking about how many white people, some still living, are the main reasons why those same people are in the situation they are in. You try to rationalize what's going on now with the past 50 years rather than looking over almost 300 year span of events.

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I do not know the problems that a black man will go through in the modern times. I admit that I don't think you as a black man, are having it as bad as what slavery times-the 1970's. What the protesters of all colors went through during the civil rights movement was atrocious? Are there those that still wish to oppress people of color still around? Yes. Are they as strong or powerful? No. At some point everyone has to get past the past. That doesn't mean to forget what happened? No but it does mean we do everything in our power to prevent one race of people from trying to rule over another race.

You are too focused on "well, I did it, they should be able to do it". And sir, that's just not how it works.

I did make it from a fairly meager situation, My mom was a sibling to 12, raised in a 3 bedroom 1 bath house. When they lived in Nashville, the oldest kids would go pick rotten vegetables out of the dump, having to fight off adults with sticks so they wouldn't be taken advantage of. She then married a douche that cheated on her for 15 years, then raised 3 boys on $8/hour after he left for a woman in another country and left us to starve. I said I will do everything in my power to ensure my wife and kids never have to go through what I did. I am not rich by any means but I have a good job, not because I'm white but because I work my hardest and do the best I can.

You and others of all races who are poor have the opportunity to live in a country where you can make your own opportunities with hard work and educating yourself. Encourage that to those around you, instead of divisiveness.
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I understand your points and most are accurate and true statements. I applaud everyone that can make the best for themselves. With that being said, I think we are talking about apples and oranges. Every race group can show instances of poverty, coming from nothing, and persevering. All races deal with a lot of the same things as a whole. I can relate to many of you all stories.

However, I do believe and many within the African American community will argue that systematic racism does in fact exist, whether you see it or not. I'm not going to go much into detail; however, a good place to start is researching Tim Wise. He pretty much lays out what African Americans have to deal with on a day to day basis, but I'm sure many will argue his points.

Even with Martin Luther King and Ben Carson and any other successful African American, they have experience racism based solely on the color of their skin. Everyone brings up the we shall overcome MLK; however, there have been many examples of MLK understanding violence when peaceful protests did not bring change and blacks voices were not heard.

Lastly, speaking of racism. I know many on this site may not agree but only whites can be racist in America; however, all groups can be prejudice. Racism stems from the belief that you are superior to a group because of the color of skin and have the ability the impact the well-being of inferior groups. This has always been the case in America and still is. Blacks, Hispanics, nor any other group can affect the majority of white lives. But, it does hold true throughout the history of America that the vice versa is true. Any you might say or ask, what does this have to do with me, I'm not racist? Blacks, are always pulling the race card. If the race card wasn't pulled in the beginning, maybe it wouldn't have to be used now.

But, I'll always debate this topic because it's interesting that everyone has a different way of thinking about it. I like this debate; especially with no name calling and an attempt to understand each other. I know the consensus is usually against what I believe. :hi: Go Vols, that's what we all have in common!
 
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Ez_Vol said:
...but only whites can be racist in America...

Go Vols, that's what we all have in common!
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I haven't weighed in on the varying views and opinions, but I think you are way off base here. There may be fewer areas/places where someone of a minority race can affect a white person's life, but it absolutely does exist.

As to your last point, Go Vols, indeed!
 
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Chuckie said:
I haven't weighed in on the varying views and opinions, but I think you are way off base here. There may be fewer areas/places where someone of a minority race can affect a white person's life, but it absolutely does exist.

As to your last point, Go Vols, indeed!
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Its an outrageously naive comment that wreaks of hypocrisy as well.
 
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Racism | Definition of Racism by Merriam-Webster

EZ - you may want to update your definition of racism. Yours comes from some unknown source that you just defined in a straw man type argument, unless you believe and can prove Webster is racist.

I do not debate racism still exists in this country. I also see racism committed by every race. It is sad to me that people are that manipulative, ignorant, stupid, or evil as to judge and mistreat others due to skin color. Racism leads to negative cultural influences, words, and actions that challenge societal values. In America the dynamics of that are high currently. Those cultural changes are sometimes being led by people that are being called racist on all sides of each issue because it is a code word that sparks attention, especially in the media. But just like the boy that yelled "wolf" too often, it is rapidly losing its impact when obviously played for more power over others.

:hi: and Go Vols!
 
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I see I hit a nerve on that definition. Racism is a difficult thing to explain. Can't wait until 50 years from now when everyone is the same race in the US.
 
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Ez_Vol said:
I see I hit a nerve on that definition. Racism is a difficult thing to explain. Can't wait until 50 years from now when everyone is the same race in the US.
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What you gave was an opinion, not a definition. Racism is difficult to explain because many people call out racism when something doesn't go their way and unfortunately there are many times that people are labeled as racists and the facts are they aren't.
 
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Florida- Trump
Illinois- Trump
Missouri- Cruz
Ohio- Kasich
North Carolina- Trump

Brokered convention coming.
 
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Dust10 said:
Open. There has been some reports of Dems pulling Rep ballots to vote for Trump, but I don't think that's been too widespread.
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These open primaries are helping trump a lot.

Why is the GOP leaving them open? Too much risk of chaos.
 
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Catbone said:
Florida- Trump
Illinois- Trump
Missouri- Cruz
Ohio- Kasich
North Carolina- Trump

Brokered convention coming.
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If they take it from trump and he then goes third party I wonder if we would hit the no one reaching 270 in the electoral college situation? Would be interesting.
 
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volssam said:
These open primaries are helping trump a lot.

Why is the GOP leaving them open? Too much risk of chaos.
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It's not up to the parties. In Illinois you simply register to vote and declare which party you'd like to vote for when you show up to vote.
 
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LouderVol said:
to be more helpful there are daemons called "Daedras" that make "Daedric" stuff and that bears a resemblance to his name. so there fore you have a good VN sidetrack right out of the gates. Go Team Tangent!
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I want a Team Tangent jersey.. Can you hook me up?
 
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volssam said:
If they take it from trump and he then goes third party I wonder if we would hit the no one reaching 270 in the electoral college situation? Would be interesting.
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Then House decides who is president. And technically Senate is supposed to decide who will be VP.
 
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