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jave36 said:
Making them punt from their own 30 isn't good field position? I can't believe you guys are OK with literally mailing in 2 mins and 3 TO of a close game.
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You're thinking like an emotional fan. If you were thinking like a tactician, you would likely come to the same conclusion Butch did given the same circumstances.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
Lol. You must have been the Captain of your debate team with such unassailable logic.
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LOL, that was actually a good one.

2 mins and 3 TO is more time than a normal drive takes, let alone the 2 minute drill, which we've done well all year. We basically mailed in a full possession, not a hail mary possession, but a complete, legit opportunity to score. How much time would need to be on the clock for you to think we shouldn't just give up on the half? 3 mins? 4 mins?
 
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jave36 said:
I posted it when it happened. Both were bone headed, although when butch didn't call a TO, Pinkel probably realized we were mailing it in and didn't need to wait out the clock, so ours was the slightly more bone headed move, IMO.
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Of the things that cost us the game, that may have barely made the top 10. Not as big of deal as you're making it out to be.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
You're thinking like an emotional fan. If you were thinking like a tactician, you would likely come to the same conclusion Butch did given the same circumstances.
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No, I wouldn't. Guarantee if you poll 100 coaches, more than 90 would say they'd never just give away the entire last 2 minutes of a half with multiple timeouts left, no matter how badly things had gone prior to that.
 
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Dust10 said:
Of the things that cost us the game, that may have barely made the top 10. Not as big of deal as you're making it out to be.
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Never said it cost us the game, although no way Butch could know that without hindsight. I'm still baffled you all are OK with literally giving away an entire possession.

Said it was incredibly defeatist and Dooley-esque.
 
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jave36 said:
Pinkel probably realized we were mailing it in and didn't need to wait out the clock, so ours was the slightly more bone headed move, IMO.
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Disagree as we had worse field position than Mizzou and they had shown the ability to throw the ball down the field...

Of course, that does not fit your agenda (imo)
 
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jave36 said:
Never said it cost us the game, although no way Butch could know that without hindsight. I'm still baffled you all are OK with literally giving away an entire possession.

Said it was incredibly defeatist and Dooley-esque.
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Your incessant arguing about it suggests you think it costs us the game. No one argues about something that much if they think there are 5-10 bigger events in the game that cost us more.
 
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Went to the FF and someone is already calling for Butch's job. There's also people in the FF saying that 7-6 this year isn't to be happy about.
 
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jave36 said:
No, I wouldn't. Guarantee if you poll 100 coaches, more than 90 would say they'd never just give away the entire last 2 minutes of a half with multiple timeouts left, no matter how badly things had gone prior to that.
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Most coaches don't have an offensive line that gives up roughly one sack fumble per game. Given the circumstances (abysmal line play, no run game, no time for intermediate or deep route concepts to develop) the likelihood of something good happening there was smaller than the likelihood of something bad happening. We were playing a team that won a game without scoring an offensive touchdown. This wasn't their first rodeo.
 
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Volator said:
Disagree as we had worse field position than Mizzou and they had shown the ability to throw the ball down the field...

Of course, that does not fit your agenda (imo)
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So how many minutes have to be left on the clock for you guys to think we should actually play football instead of mailing it in?
 
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Dust10 said:
Your incessant arguing about it suggests you think it costs us the game. No one argues about something that much if they think there are 5-10 bigger events in the game that cost us more.
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Players making mistakes (Malone, Coleman) is expected. Coaches intentionally giving away two minutes and 3 TO, while not on top of the list of things that lost us the game, is at the very top of the list of unacceptable things that happened.
 
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jave36 said:
Players making mistakes (Malone, Coleman) is expected. Coaches intentionally giving away two minutes and 3 TO, while not on top of the list of things that lost us the game, is at the very top of the list of unacceptable things that happened.
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Can you with 100% certainty say you'd be defending it if Dobbs had thrown a pick 6 or given up a strip fumble?
 
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jave36 said:
So how many minutes have to be left on the clock for you guys to think we should actually play football instead of mailing it in?
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It isn't a black and white thing. If we have plenty of time and we don't start with a negative play that gets us behind in our downs schedule, then the offense has some options. When we lost a chunk on 1st down, that basically means the rest of that series will be one dimensional (passing) which, given our Offensive line struggles, posed enough of a danger that he made a decision that it wasn't worth the risk of a turnover.
 
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Appalachiamuck said:
I always enjoy your posts. Thanks for being a constant voice of realism in a place where there is so much :crazy:

As for the potential Belk Bowl vs ND. I'd love it. It would draw a great crowd and as much attention as a lower tier bowl could. Plus I'd really love to see CBJ vs CBK due to Butch following him at Central Mich and Cincy.
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Ha ha - well, glad someone enjoys my posts. VN is a nice diversion for me, as I'm sure it is for everyone else.

I'd like Notre Dame as well. If I'm not mistaken I think we still have the best winning % against them all time among teams they've played multiple times. I think we can keep that going this year.

Belk Bowl makes sense. It's in a fertile recruiting ground and we will have just played in Nashville, while also playing in Nashville to start next fall.

Clemson also would be fun. I've enjoyed needling the Clemson fans in my family these past few years by pointing out that we have done as well or better than them when playing common opponents (e.g., UGA, USCe, NC State), despite the fact that we are in one of the worst stretches of our program's history. Beating them soundly head to head would be icing on the cake.
 
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Dust10 said:
Your incessant arguing about it suggests you think it costs us the game. No one argues about something that much if they think there are 5-10 bigger events in the game that cost us more.
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He likes to slam the coaches and he likes to argue. One of those posters that sounds like a broken record, like LV talking about numbers.
 
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Dust10 said:
Can you with 100% certainty say you'd be defending it if Dobbs had thrown a pick 6 or given up a strip fumble?
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Absolutely, 100%. Go down fighting man, I'll never fault anyone for trying and failing, but refusing to try in such a close game is just unacceptable to me.

I'll drop it, you're right I've beaten the horse to death.
 
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jave36 said:
Players making mistakes (Malone, Coleman) is expected. Coaches intentionally giving away two minutes and 3 TO, while not on top of the list of things that lost us the game, is at the very top of the list of unacceptable things that happened.
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Who do you realistically think we can replace these coaches with?

Tennessee is going to be looked at as a dead end job for people in the coaching profession if our fanbase turns on this staff this quickly, when there are so many obvious roster issues being worked through. CBJ is widely respected and rightfully so. Run him off and good luck replacing him. We will get someone's sloppy seconds.

We are exactly where we thought we'd be. Just because games like Mizzou and UF are "winnable" doesn't mean our baseline expectation should be that we will always win them. Fans who think otherwise are in for a lifetime of disappointment.
 
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vol2002 said:
Who do you realistically think we can replace these coaches with?

Tennessee is going to be looked at as a dead end job for people in the coaching profession if our fanbase turns on this staff this quickly, when there are so many obvious roster issues being worked through. CBJ is widely respected and rightfully so. Run him off and good luck replacing him. We will get someone's sloppy seconds.

We are exactly where we thought we'd be. Just because games like Mizzou and UF are "winnable" doesn't mean our baseline expectation should be that we will always win them. Fans who think otherwise are in for a lifetime of disappointment.
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Rofl, what, I can't say coaches made a dumb decision without calling for their job? I'm a huge butch fan, but his choice to throw away that possession was bad, IMO.
 
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jave36 said:
I do mind keeping all three with 2 min left in the first half after a 3rd down stop. Was the most Dooley thing I've seen since Dooley left. That's a HUGE amount of time.
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I completely agree. I was at the game and I didn't like that at all. Didn't think it was the right decision.
 
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