Recruiting Forum: Football Talk XI

[Ron Swanson]

Wait and see, right?

Giving him the benefit of the doubt for now. Time will tell.

14-0? At least.

 

[BaldBiker]

The SEC is to the NCAA as the NCAA is to the NFL. What you did before you got to the big league matters more on your resume than it does on the field. However, if you have spent time in the Bigs, then what you did during that time holds more weight than what you did in the other conferences.

You think Crash Davis would have bragged about being the minor league's all-time leading HR hitter had he ever made it back to the show? (Bull Durham reference, FWIW)

It's not that the other stuff doesn't matter, it does, but what matters more is what you do when you get here...and Jancek's record thus far leaves reason to question his abilities as a legitimate SEC DC.

Simple as that...

Very well written OB79, but I still do not agree with you.

I probably could/would agree with it except for one thing. You, like a lot of others, left out the talent factor that Jancek was having to deal with.

It very much limits what a coach can call. If you don't have the personnel to call the plays you want to, you call the plays you can..........and hope.

I think that starts changing this year. JMO though.

 

[RockyTop85]

I think Jancek is going to do just fine at UT once he has better groceries to cook with. That starts this fall.

Our players couldn't execute the plays that were calls about 35% of the time last year, on offense.

If it were year 3 or even year 2, I would question the coaches on that.

Seeing as it was year 1 you have to think that's not all on him and that his play calling was limited to what we could run.

 

[head1]

Banking on this year to be better offensively is really being optimistic.

New OL, New RBs, Sub par QB play to this point, one proven WR until Pig returns, new TEs.

Sorry but I find it hard to be optimistic with that recipe.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Better offense = more first downs
More first downs = more time the offense is on the field
More time the offense is on the field = less time the defense is on the field
Less time the defense is on the field = Less fatigue
Less fatigue = better plays
Better plays = better defense
Better defense = better team
Better team = More wins.

 

[Dust10]

Better offense = more first downs
More first downs = more time the offense is on the field
More time the offense is on the field = less time the defense is on the field
Less time the defense is on the field = Less fatigue
Less fatigue = better plays
Better plays = better defense
Better defense = better team
Better team = More wins.

Is this direct tv commercial?

 

[MikeVol44]

I think Jancek is going to do just fine at UT once he has better groceries to cook with. That starts this fall.

I really, really, really would love for you to be correct--for the sake of the program. Truth is--we won't really have a fair way to evaluate him until after the 2015 season....

GO VOLS! :salute:

 

[MikeVol44]

Banking on this year to be better offensively is really being optimistic.

New OL, New RBs, Sub par QB play to this point, one proven WR until Pig returns, new TEs.

Sorry but I find it hard to be optimistic with that recipe.

Pearson ALREADY makes Pig look slow and unnecessary!! :salute:

 

[PassedOutAwake]

Banking on this year to be better offensively is really being optimistic.

New OL, New RBs, Sub par QB play to this point, one proven WR until Pig returns, new TEs.

Sorry but I find it hard to be optimistic with that recipe.

Really?

Yeah we have a new OL, but our previous OL wasnt the greatest with run blocking. OL = who knows

Lane isnt a new RB, plus we add 3 great freshmen. Pickett is eligible. Hill and Summerhill return. Young moves to hybrid role. RB = push or improvement

The QBs will only get better. More time in the system, more S&C, better knowledge of the playbook. Its not like they will be worse. QB = improved

Croom and North return. Pig will probably make it back. Young is in hybrid (he was injured most of last year). Then we get Pearson and Malone... which means less Smith. WRs improve

Cant really argue with the TE situation except, they were basically non existent last year. TE = push or improvement

 

[UTProf]

Fire Counzo
Fire Jancek
Even Fire Holly

VN is in a firing mood lately.

 

[BaldBiker]

Banking on this year to be better offensively is really being optimistic.

New OL, New RBs, Sub par QB play to this point, one proven WR until Pig returns, new TEs.

Sorry but I find it hard to be optimistic with that recipe.

I personally am not going toslam anyone with this mindset. I just don't see it in the same light.

Marlin Lane is a capable back. We actually have other backs that saw playing time last year and did well. I know it was mop up duty, but most of the D's they faced were still starters, albeit tired starters.

If the OL can play @ 75% of last year OL in pass protection, they'll still be on par with the rest of the SEC. Run protection improvement is a must though.

I'm not concerned at all with WR play. I believe it will be better.

QB play should be improved with consistency in playing time.

TE's cannot be any worse, so any improvement has got to make calling offensive plays easier.

 

[BaldBiker]

Really?

Yeah we have a new OL, but our previous OL wasnt the greatest with run blocking. OL = who knows

Lane isnt a new RB, plus we add 3 great freshmen. Pickett is eligible. Hill and Summerhill return. Young moves to hybrid role. RB = push or improvement

The QBs will only get better. More time in the system, more S&C, better knowledge of the playbook. Its not like they will be worse. QB = improved

Croom and North return. Pig will probably make it back. Young is in hybrid (he was injured most of last year). Then we get Pearson and Malone... which means less Smith. WRs improve

Cant really argue with the TE situation except, they were basically non existent last year. TE = push or improvement

Dang POA! You stole my thunder!

 

[Vol464]

Jancek was co-dc for ONE season at UGA. He's been a coach for almost 25 years but we'll judge him on his co-dc at UGA in '09? But discount his 2 conference championships at Cincy as DC? How about the D2 national title he won at Grand Valley State in '02? Maybe it's Richt's fault that UGA was awful that season. Do we count Martinez's SEC East Championship at UGA in '05 when he was DC and Jancek was LB coach? Or give Martinez credit for coaching the DB's at UGA in '02 when they were East champs?

I'm not saying these guys deserve statues on campus already I'm just saying maybe we should cut them some slack considering the talent they had to work with last fall. They weren't exactly dealing with a loaded SEC roster.

Ron, can't you see what losers these guys are from these records?
Colon crazy colon

 

[whitw]

Fire Counzo
Fire Jancek
Even Fire Holly

VN is in a firing mood lately.

Promote Serrano to "all sports" head coach.

Problem solved IMO.

 

[Vols4us]

I personally am not going toslam anyone with this mindset. I just don't see it in the same light.

Marlin Lane is a capable back. We actually have other backs that saw playing time last year and did well. I know it was mop up duty, but most of the D's they faced were still starters, albeit tired starters.

If the OL can play @ 75% of last year OL in pass protection, they'll still be on par with the rest of the SEC. Run protection improvement is a must though.

I'm not concerned at all with WR play. I believe it will be better.

QB play should be improved with consistency in playing time.

TE's cannot be any worse, so any improvement has got to make calling offensive plays easier.

Excellent post.

For a perspective on O-line production in the run game; Auburn was #1 in the nation at 328 yards per game with a 6.3 average. UT was #42 at 188 YPG with a 4.9 average. To give some more perspective, Mizzou was #16 at 238 YPG and 5.66 average. What does that tell us?

Tells me the two SEC division winners ran the ball very well. Auburn had one great OT and good at the other positions. Mizzou had no greats, just a group of solid veterans that worked well together. Both ran a spread system that emphasizes and opened running lanes. UT ran a spread system with several future NFL draft choices in the O-line.

Nobody knew much of anything about Mason before last season. Josey had to sit out the year before because of a horrific knee injury. But both benefited from O-lines that fit the offensive system. UT's line did not fit the offensive system and the combine proved it with their slow times. Add in UT not having a QB that could run the zone read or pull it down and take off in passing situations, which both Auburn and Mizzou could do with their QBs.

As posted by POA and BB this O-line is designed for this offense. It will take some games before they play in synch, but when they do they will be much better at the running game than the last bunch. Add in having RBs that have been in the system now for two seasons, QBs that now know how to run a zone read, as well as having new RBs that were recruited because they fit the system and it is easy to see why improvement can be expected. The only potential freshman starter on the O-line is Thomas. All of the others have at least two seasons of experience.

 

[JAllen18]

7 Wins is what I'm hoping for.

7 Wins would be a great year with all the freshmen we have on this team.

Next year we should be looking at 9-10 wins and hunting for the SEC championship.

 

[Vols4us]

On the OC/DC debate:

I saw an OC that did not quite get it on game plans and play calling. It appeared he was turning the corner against UGA and then he began to regress again. He could sure call a bubble screen or fly sweep though. He never did figure out that the 8-10 yard slant pass is a QB's best friend. And that play is Football 101 for football coaches. It gets your QB in rhythm and WRs focused. If it is good for the QB, it is good for the OC. You have to go with that play until the D adjusts - which then creates openings for different, deeper patterns. Have no problem at all with the system, play designs, blocking schemes, etc.

I thought Jancek would be the weak link in this staff when they were announced. I was wrong. I thought he did an admirable job working with very little talent that had to be shifted back to a 4-3. There were plenty of coaching goof ups for sure, but his unit finished playing better. They just were on the field too many snaps because of how bad the O was. I have always been a Strib and Martinez fan. Was very happy to get those two. Now I am a big Thig fan to add to it.

 

[TriCitiesVol]

MOST OFFERS
Running count of known 2015 offers by SEC program (as of 03-10-2014):

Tennessee: 213
Kentucky: 183
Mississippi State: 183
Ole Miss: 174
Alabama: 160
Florida: 150
Auburn: 134
South Carolina: 120
Georgia: 105
LSU: 104
Arkansas: 97
Missouri: 73
Texas A&M: 70
Vanderbilt: 21

Per Keith Niebuhr.... Lol @ Vandy with 21

 

[VolinArizona]

I think Jancek is going to do just fine at UT once he has better groceries to cook with. That starts this fall.

That's a very valid point. He called a great game against USCe IMO.

 

[PassedOutAwake]

LOL @ Vandy. Mason is going to take that program further down than they have been in several years

 

[Big Orange#1]

On the OC/DC debate:

I saw an OC that did not quite get it on game plans and play calling. It appeared he was turning the corner against UGA and then he began to regress again. He could sure call a bubble screen or fly sweep though. He never did figure out that the 8-10 yard slant pass is a QB's best friend. And that play is Football 101 for football coaches. It gets your QB in rhythm and WRs focused. If it is good for the QB, it is good for the OC. You have to go with that play until the D adjusts - which then creates openings for different, deeper patterns. Have no problem at all with the system, play designs, blocking schemes, etc.

I thought Jancek would be the weak link in this staff when they were announced. I was wrong. I thought he did an admirable job working with very little talent that had to be shifted back to a 4-3. There were plenty of coaching goof ups for sure, but his unit finished playing better. They just were on the field too many snaps because of how bad the O was. I have always been a Strib and Martinez fan. Was very happy to get those two. Now I am a big Thig fan to add to it.

I watched some highlights of Cinci under CBJ and CMB and they used those 7-10 yards slants all the time. I don't understand why we did not use them this year. They must have had some reasoning behind it, because in the few games I saw of Cinci the slant was a major part of the offense.

 

[LebanonVolunteer]

LOL @ Vandy. Mason is going to take that program further down than they have been in several years

I think candy will be taking a "small" class this year as well. I read something like 16-17. With 21 offers out, maybe they feel VERY good about who they offered.

I agree though, Mason is in for a rough time in Nashville. We CAN NOT lose to them again this year. JUST CAN'T HAPPEN!

 

[Burger]

I watched some highlights of Cinci under CBJ and CMB and they used those 7-10 yards slants all the time. I don't understand why we did not use them this year. They must have had some reasoning behind it, because in the few games I saw of Cinci the slant was a major part of the offense.

We had guys who couldn't run routes. Worley would of missed the throw anyways.

 

[Aesius]

Our roster last year was tops for the Sunbelt Conference though.

Not ready to crown our coaches the next coming......but people really need to get it through their thick skulls that they did NOT have the talent to run the schemes they wanted to last year. I'm guessing that even some of what we call questionable play calls last year were as much from not having the personnel as anything.

Yep. We didn't have any athletes on offense except Neal, Lane, North, and Pig.

TEs didn't do much. Most of the WRs couldn't get open, and if they did, they couldn't catch the ball. And our QBs weren't threats to pass the pall down field at all. Hell, for 1/3 of the season, Worley was throwing screen passes in the dirt.

 

[BaldBiker]

I watched some highlights of Cinci under CBJ and CMB and they used those 7-10 yards slants all the time. I don't understand why we did not use them this year. They must have had some reasoning behind it, because in the few games I saw of Cinci the slant was a major part of the offense.

I think a lot of it had to do with QB play. The Qb's were throwing behind the receivers a lot. Missing behind a WR results in a lot of Ints. That and the WR's were dropping too many catches to count on them catching those, which would also result in Ints.

Worley was actually starting to get his timing down when he was hurt. I think they were close to unveiling those plays when they had to change Qb's.