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The committee reacted predictably. The Vols were going to be treated harshly for the way they played against an unranked SCAR team that nobody thinks is very good. It was a bad performance and a bad look, and that's too costly to overcome this time of year. The only thing UT can do now is beat Vandy, win the portal and finish with a strong bowl performance.
 
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Glitch said:
Exactly. Be miserable if you want, but please don't expect all of us to jump into your pile of misery with you.

You know what I did on Sunday after we got smacked in the mouth? Woke up and went about my day. Felt bad and thought about what could have been and how it is sad that one dream was over. Then I remembered that we were only expected to win 7ish games all year and here we sit at 9 wins with Andy to go. I remembered that I have a daughter graduating high school in a couple weeks and another daughter turning 15. Life flies by and it sucks that the Vols lost on Saturday but I can't and won't let that rob we of the many many other joys that are offered to me in this life.
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It still sticks in my craw some, but my blessings are so much more bountiful than the bad that came from this event, that getting mad just seems like a waste of time and effort at this point.
 
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Glitch said:
Exactly. Be miserable if you want, but please don't expect all of us to jump into your pile of misery with you.

You know what I did on Sunday after we got smacked in the mouth? Woke up and went about my day. Felt bad and thought about what could have been and how it is sad that one dream was over. Then I remembered that we were only expected to win 7ish games all year and here we sit at 9 wins with Andy to go. I remembered that I have a daughter graduating high school in a couple weeks and another daughter turning 15. Life flies by and it sucks that the Vols lost on Saturday but I can't and won't let that rob we of the many many other joys that are offered to me in this life.
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I don't let Tennessee ruin my time with family or my attitude during the day. I'll say stuff here but once I look away it doesn't really exist. My kids do. My wife does. Idk how many lives we get, if this is real, if there is an enternal afterlife but I'd hate to have wasted a single chance at life on 18-22 year olds playing a game. Honestly, I cherish meeting some of you, having experiences, jokes, etc more than Tennessee football. Meeting @InVOLuntary @Sugaray13 @OGbabyaviVol @Christian Lowe and his fiance with @volatil avoiding me at all costs will stick around longer than this season. One day @Glitch we will have to get a tailgate going. It looks like I'm successful in setting up a tradition to go up to Knoxville for a game every season with some of the degenerates from down here.
 
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So weird how many successful head coaches & former head coaches are suddenly going viral because they got our name in their moufs...

Clout chasing at its finest, like who cares what Steve Spurrier has to say anyway? Guy is pushing 80 and hasn't done anything in college since 2015 when he got canned after starting 2-4.
 
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Weezer said:
You deal with it how you deal with it. Other people deal with it differently. That doesn't make one way right and one way wrong. Just makes them different. Don't expect others to be able to cope the same way you do. That's not human nature.
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Yea, and the poster was telling us first. I simply responded to him. Not sure why I get scolded. I’m not going to be thinking about that game in 40 years- which was essentially what he inferred. Not sure why that’s so difficult.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Yea, and the poster was telling us first. I simply responded to him. Not sure why I get scolded. I’m not going to be thinking about that game in 40 years- which was essentially what he inferred. Not sure why that’s so difficult.
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Some people may still think about that game in 40 years. McGill still thinks about the Manning Memphis loss. Maybe I misread it all. It's good that you can put it behind you so quickly. Some can't. I know I'll stew on it for a few weeks. Then I'll still be pissed whenever someone else brings it up. We all cope differently.
 
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Vols4us said:
TL;dr. May be worth it for some.

Some like Ainge and some don't. I have generally always liked Ainge's analysis, especially when he gets to the actual playing of the game and not all the silliness. If you have been listening earlier this week he has been direct and explanatory on what happened. DC Banks. To summarize, he did not even give his players the opportunity to fail on their own. It was scheme and play calling. Add in some missing of Jeremy Banks, the D's leader.

He said it was obvious that they needed to play press man and blitz. Soft zone and soft man were recipes for disaster because without a strong pass rush and with that much time to throw any QB would pick us apart. No holding calls from Birmingham's hit squad meant making quick defensive adjustments to the game plan. They did not make those adjustments. They kept doing the stupid, thinking it night change because Rattler has never shown he could do what he did while expecting a pass rush to develop.

Me: The scheme and play calling were game planned to play safe and it failed in spectacular fashion like most "prevent" defenses. In my book, third or fourth and Chavis will change forever to third or fourth and Banks.

No Jeremy Banks to make the pass rush happen or set the toughness tone. Having Mitchell in the game to replace him means it is 11 guys on 10, he is useless. The drop off at LB after Banks and Beasley is that bad. Herring is talented, just needs experience and yet, they kept trotting the useless out there like Mitchell and Page.

Nobody wants to hear that Heup approved that defensive game plan beforehand. All HC's have the final say on that. Banks does not have unilateral authority to do whatever he wanted. Nobody wants to hear that the defensive game plan should have been changed after the second TD in the first quarter, it was that obvious. Heup did not have it changed. I will never believe he does not know defense well as an excuse. He could never design an O like ours without also knowing defenses well. That man has football blood running through his veins.

So they lost due to fear by the coaching staff, overconfidence by some players, team morale with Jeremy Banks out, and actual play on the field by missing Jeremy Banks.

Which is why nobody was fired this week. Heup is complicit with the D's bad performance. What's done is done. They hope to recover against Vandy and in the bowl game. I believe both Banks and Martinez are on the clock, particularly Martinez. Banks just had his welcome to the SEC moment. He may be given more rope to hang himself with another year on the big contract.

JMO - the worst case scenario if they lose to Vandy: The early signing day is soon, recruits are on the line and they need continuity in the staff. I believe both Banks and Martinez are on the clock. If they are over Martinez he will be gone after December's signing day. The die is cast on high end secondary recruits for it. I doubt any high end 4 and 5 stars are going to show up to sign with us. Banks would be terminated after the bowl. The portal and late signing period might be more productive with staff changes.

If they beat Vandy and the D is OK to good, Banks is given another year and Martinez' job may still be shopped. They would wait to pull the trigger until after the bowl game. If Heup still wants Willie at that point, he stays.

If they win out and look decent to good on D, both probably return.
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I agree with a lot of this. Totally agree that the staff, including the HC, thought that Rattler could not beat them with the soft scheme they started with. It became apparent to me pretty quickly as well that Rattler was going to have a good game. Agree that is when the adjustments needed to be made. They were not. Heupel and Banks need be held equally accountable. I am not sure the Jeremy Banks situation has as big an impact as some people think. I am sure that there was some distraction, but the biggest issue was scheme. With our talent issues, and we do have them, the scheme designed might have worked if Rattler was his usual self. When it was clear that he was not going to be, you have to switch it up. I also think we were confident we could score 50 or more. That did not happen either.
 
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LA Vol said:
This was a divisive loss. People will continue to feel how they feel, and IDT those who feel one way are going to agree with those who feel another. The Vols have the opportunity to end the season on a high note or a low note-- that's the controllable.
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The game at this point is a must win. You win this one and the narrative is you beat expectations but fell a little short of your potential. You lose this one and narrative completely flips and becomes they completely collapsed.
 
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LA Vol said:
This was a divisive loss. People will continue to feel how they feel, and IDT those who feel one way are going to agree with those who feel another. The Vols have the opportunity to end the season on a high note or a low note-- that's the controllable.
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Exactly. What I hate is everyone overly fretting we're going to lose to Vandy. We're NOT going to lose to Vandy.
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Twinsies!
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