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gainesvol82 said:
A buddy of mine in high school used to argue that Clapton was a better guitarist than Jimmy Page. What a joke, IMO. Page created modern guitar orchestration by layering different guitars over each other. Both could play everything from blues, to folk to classic rock but Zeppelin 1-4 blow away anything Clapton ever did. I can only imagine being a teenager and hearing Zeppelin 1 come blasting across your speakers and being in awe. Sabbath's first album coming out around the same time.....mind blowing stuff for that era.
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Again, not a Guitar legends convo. Edit wasnt supposed to be

WHILE here. Read an op ed of top 100 guitarists by Rolling Stone - written by some of top guitarists.

Hendrix will always be my fave, but, as far wholistically. There is no bad Zeppelin song. Hendrix was the goat.

Way that article wrote, "Listening to what Jimmy Page does on guitar can transport you. As a lead player, he always plays the right thing for the right spot – he's got such remarkable taste. The solo on "Heartbreaker" has such incredible immediacy; he's teetering on the edge of his technique, and it's still a showstopper. But you can't look at just his guitar playing on its own. You have to look at what he did with it in the studio and how he used it in the songs he wrote and produced. Jimmy built this incredible catalog of experience on the Yardbirds and doing session work, so when he did the first Led Zeppelin record, he knew exactly what kind of sounds he wanted to get.

He had this vision of how to transcend the stereotypes of what the guitar can do. If you follow the guitar on "The Song Remains the Same" all the way through, it evolves through so many different changes – louder, quieter, softer, louder again. He was writing the songs, playing them, producing them – I can't think of any other guitar player since Les Paul that can claim that. By Joe Perry"

Paraphrashing, he may not have been the greatest player ever but every note, every lick had greatest timing arriving perfectly.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
My first concert I was 14….Santana opening for Clapton at an amphitheater in NY. Santana blew the doors off Clapton….changed my rock&roll perspective to this day 🤘🏻
also traded a couple bowl packs for some beers with the bikers behind us 🤠
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Geez. What a first concert. Meanwhile my first was age 5 being dragged to New Kids on the Block with my sister 😒
 
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UTProf said:
I'm a huge fan of Mick Jagger and I'd even put young Axl Rose (his vocals were out of this world back then) in there but no one has ever topped Freddie. I mean at least in terms of Rock n' Roll. Now if we open it up to pop and soul you gotta include Prince. Michael Jackson, James Brown, Little Richard, Elvis, Jerry Lee Lewis and Chuck Berry. And probably Robert Johnson. #oscarssowhite (I keed). For real, those are the guys I think of as the pinnacle.

For women.... Janis Joplin, Stevie Nicks, Big Mama Thornton, Billie Holiday, Tina Turner, Dolly Parton, Erykah Badu (and I'm prob. missing a few). And yes, Courtney Love who is one of the best frontwomen ever (I know but girl was good). Overall, I feel there's more women vocalists who are great but they're harder to find in rock and in bands.

Some education for my menfolk up in here (Ms. Badu):


Honestly, the further we've gotten away from the old days of Vaudeville the more live acts have suffered. And hip hop just doesn't lend itself to amazing vocals (nor does pop - Michael Jackson and George Michael were oddities in that pop rarely meant talented).
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Outside the realm of fronting a band, the solos...Elvis is the pinnacle; but, Otis and Prince are my favorites.

The ladies...Aretha, of course...Grace Slick and Debbie Harry. My favorite of the last 20 yrs or so, quite possibly my favorite all time, is Karen O of the Yeah Yeah Yeahs.
 
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Devo182 said:
How about the greatest Tennessee musicians?

Johnny Cash and B.B. King both moved here in their early-mid 20s, but not sure I'd consider them true Tennesseeans. The Allmans were basically the reverse, moved away in their 20s before beginning their career. Aretha Franklin was born here, but moved away as a child, so not sure I'd count her either.


Elvis and Dolly seem the clear #1 and #2. Justin Timberlake, Usher, and Tina Turner are up there as well as world renowned artists.

Then you have people like Miley Cyrus and Ke$ha...who I'm not sure we want to accept lol.

Kings of Leon and Kenny Chesney get honorable mentions, though not sure how well they're known by the world. Sure I'm missing a few people.
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My favorite current band moved to Nashville but are from Hollis, NH. Our Last Night. They just put out 2 covers from each decade from 70's - 2000's. Some song choices I wouldn't have gone with but a heavier version of Numb by Linkin Park was amazing, Total Eclipse of The Heart metal version was epic and their cover of Wonderwall by Oasis was great. Those guys can make anything sound good or better and have around 100 original tracks that are fantastic to go with around 150 amazing covers of rap, pop, and other types of music made very heavy. Top notch and fantastic live.
 
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Devo182 said:
How about the greatest Tennessee musicians?

Johnny Cash and B.B. King both moved here in their early-mid 20s, but not sure I'd consider them true Tennesseeans. The Allmans were basically the reverse, moved away in their 20s before beginning their career. Aretha Franklin was born here, but moved away as a child, so not sure I'd count her either.


Elvis and Dolly seem the clear #1 and #2. Justin Timberlake, Usher, and Tina Turner are up there as well as world renowned artists.

Then you have people like Miley Cyrus and Ke$ha...who I'm not sure we want to accept lol.

Kings of Leon and Kenny Chesney get honorable mentions, though not sure how well they're known by the world. And we can't forget Three Six Mafia 😅. Sure I'm missing a few people.
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Three Six Mafia defined my sophomore and junior years of high school for Rap until I discovered Outkast and branched out to Mos Def/Talib Kweli/Black Star, The Roots (amazing in concert around 2005) and other more enlightened hip hop.
 
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hjeagle1vol said:
My first concert I was 14….Santana opening for Clapton at an amphitheater in NY. Santana blew the doors off Clapton….changed my rock&roll perspective to this day 🤘🏻
also traded a couple bowl packs for some beers with the bikers behind us 🤠
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Totally forgot about Carlos. Soul Survivor and the entire Abraxas album....wow. I bet they overshadowed Clapton by far. He'll, Billy Gibbons from ZZ Top better front man than Jagger.
 
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Devo182 said:
Geez. What a first concert. Meanwhile my first was age 5 being dragged to New Kids on the Block with my sister 😒
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gainesvol82 said:
Screw Mick Jagger's skanky homo-erotic self. Most overrated frontman in history. The Stones were mostly garbage with a few great songs like Paint It Black, Can't Get No Satisfaction and Gimme Shelter. Just cause they had longevity doesn't make them all-time greats. Brian Jones death was the end of their great music. Robert Plant was the GOAT classic rock front man with Ronnie Van Zant close behind. I'd take David Gilmour over Jagger even though he split duties with Roger Waters.
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I would love to have your back on all the others you listed, especially Plant; however, it's beneath me to converse any longer with someone who believes the Stones "mostly garbage".
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Again, not a Guitar legends convo. Edit wasnt supposed to be

WHILE here. Read an op ed of top 100 guitarists by Rolling Stone - written by some of top guitarists.

Hendrix will always be my fave, but, as far wholistically. There is no bad Zeppelin song. Hendrix was the goat.

Way that article wrote, "Listening to what Jimmy Page does on guitar can transport you. As a lead player, he always plays the right thing for the right spot – he's got such remarkable taste. The solo on "Heartbreaker" has such incredible immediacy; he's teetering on the edge of his technique, and it's still a showstopper. But you can't look at just his guitar playing on its own. You have to look at what he did with it in the studio and how he used it in the songs he wrote and produced. Jimmy built this incredible catalog of experience on the Yardbirds and doing session work, so when he did the first Led Zeppelin record, he knew exactly what kind of sounds he wanted to get.

He had this vision of how to transcend the stereotypes of what the guitar can do. If you follow the guitar on "The Song Remains the Same" all the way through, it evolves through so many different changes – louder, quieter, softer, louder again. He was writing the songs, playing them, producing them – I can't think of any other guitar player since Les Paul that can claim that. By Joe Perry"

Paraphrashing, he may not have been the greatest player ever but every note, every lick had greatest timing arriving perfectly.
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Beautifully put. Best ear and technical guitarist ever, IMO. Not the same talent as Hendrix but much tighter and more of a perfectionist. Even later songs like Achilles Last Stand and In My Time of Dying were amazing. Great rhthyms like Misty Mountain Hop, amazing blues on about half of Zeppelin 1, interplayed perfectly with Bonham's drums on When The Levee Breaks and then folk songs like Hey, Hey What Can I Do. One of his most underrated pieces was The Battle of Evermore...loved Plant's references to Tolkien on that song and The Immigrant Song was a masterpiece with nothing else like it before or since. Just a bunch of musical geniuses and Page was the glue that made it all work. Best catalog of any guitarist, hands down. Even his Yardbirds stuff was better than Clapton's....just wish he never did that Kashmir collaboration with Puffy/Diddy....whatever you want to call that copycat clown.
 
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gainesvol82 said:
Screw Mick Jagger's skanky homo-erotic self. Most overrated frontman in history. The Stones were mostly garbage with a few great songs like Paint It Black, Can't Get No Satisfaction and Gimme Shelter. Just cause they had longevity doesn't make them all-time greats. Brian Jones death was the end of their great music. Robert Plant was the GOAT classic rock front man with Ronnie Van Zant close behind. I'd take David Gilmour over Jagger even though he split duties with Roger Waters.
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Always have hated Mick Jagger and The Rolling Stones. I tried to lower case all of it because I can’t stand their music, but autocorrect 🤬, wouldn’t let me.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
Again, not a Guitar legends convo. Edit wasnt supposed to be

WHILE here. Read an op ed of top 100 guitarists by Rolling Stone - written by some of top guitarists.

Hendrix will always be my fave, but, as far wholistically. There is no bad Zeppelin song. Hendrix was the goat.

Way that article wrote, "Listening to what Jimmy Page does on guitar can transport you. As a lead player, he always plays the right thing for the right spot – he's got such remarkable taste. The solo on "Heartbreaker" has such incredible immediacy; he's teetering on the edge of his technique, and it's still a showstopper. But you can't look at just his guitar playing on its own. You have to look at what he did with it in the studio and how he used it in the songs he wrote and produced. Jimmy built this incredible catalog of experience on the Yardbirds and doing session work, so when he did the first Led Zeppelin record, he knew exactly what kind of sounds he wanted to get.

He had this vision of how to transcend the stereotypes of what the guitar can do. If you follow the guitar on "The Song Remains the Same" all the way through, it evolves through so many different changes – louder, quieter, softer, louder again. He was writing the songs, playing them, producing them – I can't think of any other guitar player since Les Paul that can claim that. By Joe Perry"

Paraphrashing, he may not have been the greatest player ever but every note, every lick had greatest timing arriving perfectly.
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If there never were Beatles, Zeppelin would be the greatest band of all time, imhumbleo.
 
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SugarCC said:
I would love to have your back on all the others you listed, especially Plant; however, it's beneath me to converse any longer with someone who believes the Stones "mostly garbage".
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I can't blame you. I understand many people love The Stones but they are very overrated to me despite Paint It Black being one of my all time favorite songs. I also love White Rabbit but don't really like much else Grace/Jefferson Airplane or Starship did. But her studio performance and Smothers Brothers performance of White Rabbit while tripping balls on LSD make up for every crappy song she ever made.
 
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