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Leeleesteeth said:
Tired of hearing all the Boo Carter stuff. Everybody on the team can't be an altar boy. The STAFF is managing Boo and likely other players who have "issues" that the public is not aware of. Boo knocked the crap out of a guy on a bubble screen that should have been reviewed as a possible fumble. It's in our best interest if he's doing what he's capable of for the team. It matters NONE if some of you people don't like him. Just my two cents.
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I agree it should have been a fumble. I mean, what do you have to do for it to be a catch anymore? The guy caught it, turned, took two steps, then got hit and the ball came out. That’s a fumble. Refs don’t know how to define a catch these days.
 
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Leeleesteeth said:
Tired of hearing all the Boo Carter stuff. Everybody on the team can't be an altar boy. The STAFF is managing Boo and likely other players who have "issues" that the public is not aware of. Boo knocked the crap out of a guy on a bubble screen that should have been reviewed as a possible fumble. It's in our best interest if he's doing what he's capable of for the team. It matters NONE if some of you people don't like him. Just my two cents.
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The issue has nothing to do with being an "alter boy" off the field. It's not that he gets into situations that he shouldn't be in or is in places he shouldn't be. His issues were not following team standards. Not taking his team responsibilities seriously. Thinking he is above the rules because of his talent. That is different.
 
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Also...maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think if the QB has the ball in his hands and never hands it off or goes past the LOS then it should be called a sack.

Josephs had one play where he caught the QB on a potential screen play where it could have also been a run and it was listed as a TFL. So some of his TFLs have been on QBs this season but because the QB was rushing or assumed to be rushing weren't sacks. To me though if the QB is the only dude to have the ball and is tackled behind the LOS it should be a sack either way.

Cause a sack is listed as a rushing attempt in box score when you look at rushing yards.

That's my TED talk...
 
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therickbol said:
The issue has nothing to do with being an "alter boy" off the field. It's not that he gets into situations that he should be in or is in places he shouldn't be. His issues were not following team standards. Not taking his team responsibilities seriously. Thinking he is above the rules because of his talent. That is different.
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True. The other thing is we heard about 3 guys specifically soon as the season ended. Matthews, Boo, and Nico and all 3 had gotten assurances and updates to their NIL to keep them here when the portal opened. Matthews is the only dude that didn't try to hold us hostage before Fall camp began.
 
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Leeleesteeth said:
Tired of hearing all the Boo Carter stuff. Everybody on the team can't be an altar boy. The STAFF is managing Boo and likely other players who have "issues" that the public is not aware of. Boo knocked the crap out of a guy on a bubble screen that should have been reviewed as a possible fumble. It's in our best interest if he's doing what he's capable of for the team. It matters NONE if some of you people don't like him. Just my two cents.
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Yeah he didn't show up to some workouts, his teammates got on him and he's shown up since the start of camp, so like...why tf do ppl still have a problem with him? Dumbarses.
 
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Heupel's Offseason Beard said:
They played a TON of freshman and young guys in the first couple of weeks to get them valuable reps. Guys were lost. All of the issues are from inexperience. Not talent. Blown assignments, poor angles, soft tackling are all things that get fixed with repetitions and time in the film and weight room.

Personally, I've seen a lot of promising young players growing up. It's going to pay off dividends in the long run, but this is not the finished product of this defense. Not by a long shot. Also let's not forget that DT and CB are two of the most difficult positions on the field for young players to make an impact early on. And we have had to replace two slots at both positions.

I do wish that Telander would lose weight and Spillman would gain weight though
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I think you are elaborating an important point though, and I am a Vol homer. In year 5, we should not be expecting freshmen to contribute meaningful snaps. If they do, it's because they are exceptional, not from need. This keeps coming back to the fact that we have had consistent issues with one position group except 2024 (no injuries). That is the secondary. It is also the same with recruiting. We are recruiting elite talent at every position not named CB. The portal has saved us here. Willie can coach, but if you cannot get the top talent, the best teams will expose us.

Ty will be a beast for us. I do not doubt that but wish he was playing special teams like Farooq last year.
 
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Jack Burton said:
I agree it should have been a fumble. I mean, what do you have to do for it to be a catch anymore? The guy caught it, turned, took two steps, then got hit and the ball came out. That’s a fumble. Refs don’t know how to define a catch these days.
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Well, not when we are involved at least. Same thing happened to us last year against UGA.

Also, the flagrant pick-play DPI no-call for UGA vs us and the obviously incorrect OPI call against us vs MSU in back to back weeks stands out too. Compare for yourselves.


 
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Volator said:
I would caution folks to think McCoy is going to play at the same level as last year. He is only 9 months removed from ACL surgery, no fall camp to speak of and no game action. It is going to take time and expect him to split reps with Redmond initially

Will the staff look for another portal cb given the success with McCoy and Hood on back to back years. I think they will as it also give younger guys time to develop. Just my $.02.
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If he's an upgrade over true freshman Redmond, who has played really well especially given his youth, that's still going to help us.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I think you are elaborating an important point though, and I am a Vol homer. In year 5, we should not be expecting freshmen to contribute meaningful snaps. If they do, it's because they are exceptional, not from need. This keeps coming back to the fact that we have had consistent issues with one position group except 2024 (no injuries). That is the secondary. It is also the same with recruiting. We are recruiting elite talent at every position not named CB. The portal has saved us here. Willie can coach, but if you cannot get the top talent, the best teams will expose us.

Ty will be a beast for us. I do not doubt that but wish he was playing special teams like Farooq last year.
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The portal has also caused this new landscape...

2025 we saw these guys who all played meaningful snaps leave.
S Jakobe Thomas
S Christian Charles
S John Slaughter
S Christian Harrison
CB Jordan Matthews

2024 we saw these guys leave
S Wesley Walker
S Tamarion McDonald
S Jack Luttrell
CB Doneiko Slaughter
CB De'Shawn Rucker
CB Brandon Turnage
CB Warren Burrell


It's just the nature of that position group in college sports...we only got McCoy and Hood because they left other P4 programs themselves. I think most of us would agree that on the defensive side the secondary is your "show me the money" types like WRs for offense. They all want to be on the field making plays and getting paid...if they feel they aren't getting that they now can just leave.
 
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Outofmyvolcanmind said:
I think you are elaborating an important point though, and I am a Vol homer. In year 5, we should not be expecting freshmen to contribute meaningful snaps. If they do, it's because they are exceptional, not from need. This keeps coming back to the fact that we have had consistent issues with one position group except 2024 (no injuries). That is the secondary. It is also the same with recruiting. We are recruiting elite talent at every position not named CB. The portal has saved us here. Willie can coach, but if you cannot get the top talent, the best teams will expose us.

Ty will be a beast for us. I do not doubt that but wish he was playing special teams like Farooq last year.
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We have 3 CB's on the bench right now that are going to be NFL players, no team in America can replace that
 
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BigSteve09 said:
I agree. I think we got pretty dang close to threading the needle. He was trying to get in FG range to win it with no time left. Which should have been doable.




Starting at 2:40:17 in case the link doesn't start at that time specifically.

2nd down, The long TD was there but Jag hesitated just a bit and the pass was late and short.

3rd down, 18 seconds left. I think the plan was to run to get the first, which happened. Then get to the line to run the second play they had queued up, to get closer to FG before burning the second timeout with ~8 seconds remaining and one timeout left.

A quick set and run probably would have got us 3-5 yards. Or a dump off to Bishop instead of scanning the field for 4 seconds and burning that valuable time. Then you probably have 6-7 seconds left on 2nd down to run a quick out to get as close to the 35 as possible.

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Gotta dump it off if you're not gonna take the shot. You can tell Josh was not thrilled. I think he had 3 routes for Jag -- deep if it's there, underneath to get to 35 for the FG, or dump off if you don't see anything. Jag just held it too long and wasted 7 seconds.

I think the lesson there is take the timeout after the first down to make sure everyone is locked in or give yourself a second to reevaluate. I can understand wanting to have those 2 timeouts because if you complete the pass over the middle after converting, boom you burn your timeout and you have enough time for one more quick play if you want to get a little closer.

I think we were one play off from getting into FG range and sealing the deal. If Joey is quicker on the trigger for the deep shot, or makes a quicker decision on that 1st down hurry up pass, I think we win. In the end it all worked out anyway. Thankful they didn't pick the hail mary at the end of regulation.

Hopefully the experience will be helpful later this year. How Josh envisions these end of game situations, and how they are executed, are a little off.
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I think you nailed it with this post. The execution on the field is not completely there in some of these scenarios. Having said that, responsibility still falls on the coach to know his team and call the game based on their strengths/capabilities/tendencies. Learning opportunity. Glad we got the win.
 
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This is a lot of money, but absolutely none of it is NIL. To be clear, this puts Virginia Tech in the top few schools of the ACC in terms of investment into athletics, but is it long-term or one-time? That matters.

The biggest investment into winning now is buying players. It was always all about the players. Many coaches have said that before. Kirby Smart said something to that effect. The teams that are not competitive in this current landscape are not competitive because they can't afford the same level of player as some of their rivals. There are coaches around the country doing more with less, but if you look at those programs there's usually an investment from 3rd parties into the roster. Even Vandy has money to spend on building a roster now. The entire landscape of college football has dramatically shifted.

 
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MoCo_Vol said:
The portal has also caused this new landscape...

2025 we saw these guys who all played meaningful snaps leave.
S Jakobe Thomas
S Christian Charles
S John Slaughter
S Christian Harrison
CB Jordan Matthews

2024 we saw these guys leave
S Wesley Walker
S Tamarion McDonald
S Jack Luttrell
CB Doneiko Slaughter
CB De'Shawn Rucker
CB Brandon Turnage
CB Warren Burrell


It's just the nature of that position group in college sports...we only got McCoy and Hood because they left other P4 programs themselves. I think most of us would agree that on the defensive side the secondary is your "show me the money" types like WRs for offense. They all want to be on the field making plays and getting paid...if they feel they aren't getting that they now can just leave.
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I think I would like to have kept Jakobe Thomas but did any of the rest of those guys show anything over any of the guys we kept and played instead of them? Turrentine had a solid last game. I think he's going to continue to improve. I rarely hear people complain about Farooq. This just seems like wasted energy to me. Why focus at all on what we don't have when we could be spending that time better being grateful for what we do? Because I promise you most teams in the country would love to have our two safties.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I think I would like to have kept Jakobe Thomas but did any of the rest of those guys show anything over any of the guys we kept and played instead of them? Turrentine had a solid last game. I think he's going to continue to improve. I rarely hear people complain about Farooq. This just seems like wasted energy to me. Why focus at all on what we don't have when we could be spending that time better being grateful for what we do? Because I promise you most teams in the country would love to have our two safties.
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I'd have liked Charles or Thomas to stay for depth.
 
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RandomUTfan said:
I think I would like to have kept Jakobe Thomas but did any of the rest of those guys show anything over any of the guys we kept and played instead of them? Turrentine had a solid last game. I think he's going to continue to improve. I rarely hear people complain about Farooq. This just seems like wasted energy to me. Why focus at all on what we don't have when we could be spending that time better being grateful for what we do? Because I promise you most teams in the country would love to have our two safties.
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Charles is at Virginia now in 5 games: 18 combined tackles, 1 TFL, 1 PD
Thomas is at Miami now in 4 games: 15 combined tackles, 2 TFLs, 1 sack, 1 FR, 1 FF
Harrison is at Cincinnati now in 4 games: 17 combined tackles, 1 TFL, 1 PD

Slaughter is at Colorado and barely plays, Matthews is at Vandy and has only played in blowouts

McMurry in 5 games: 28 combined tackles, 4 TFLs, 1.5 sacks, 3 PDs
Turrentine in 5 games: 26 combined tackles, 1 int
Farooq in 5 games: 24 combined tackles, 2 PDs
Kaleb Beasley in 5 games: 12 combined tackles, 1 FR and 1 TD
Boo in 5 games: 17 combined tackles, 4 TFLs, 1 sack 1 PD, 2 FF
 
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