Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Ten_Titans]

number one baby!

Vanderbilt as over a millon interactions on IG and peanuts on FB and Twitter? What? How?

 

[Bruce Wayne]

I would like to think I’d stay with the PGA but there are VERY FEW people in this world that know what it’s like to have a $125 million check sitting in front of them.

DJ has made around $200 million in his career. About $75 million in tournament winnings, $25 million in FedEx Cup winnings and $100 million in endorsements, etc. That is generational money. On top of that his wife, who is an absolute smokes show by the way, is Wayne Gretzkys daughter. So there’s money on that side too. So for him to chase the $125 million dollar check.. he just wants more money. Simple greed.

Now, a guy like Kevin Na I am less upset with. He has made $37 million in his career earnings. That’s nothing to laugh at. That’s A LOT of money. But say his LIV contract is for $50-75 million. He’s doubled and almost tripled his money in one contract, and it doesn’t matter if he wins. He sets up his family for even further generations to come. I still don’t like it, but I can understand the decision, to a degree at least.

Now, money aside, the main reason I hope I would say no in their position is because I want no part in Saudi sports-washing. Some of the things they have done as a country have been unforgivable and I would want my name no where near that.

But those same athletes are decked out in Nike and other brands that are basically controlled by China and all their humanitarian issues.

Tracing money sources is a real slippery slope for athletes. They need to be careful when some of them are getting on their high horses. Rory has been very outspoken for someone who made millions off Jumeirah.

Most of these tournaments are in favorable locations in US and Europe and it’s a fun format. Don’t blame anyone for going, like to think I’d say no, but don’t blame anyone for going.

 

[engineerVOL]

It’s only Tuesday and I’m pissed off at ND. Frick ‘em. Our boys getting some much needed rest this week, ready to come out hitting dingers, flipping bats, and serving up Honcho salutes. Beat ‘em in two, and take a Sabbath on Sunday like the Lord intended.

 

[Orangeburst]

How is Vandy that productive on the ‘gram, let’s fix that.

Andy bots

 

[nicksjuzunk]

You guys give up so easily…but not surprised.

 

[Vols4us]

I don't get it either. What do you do with 125 mil for just playing in the league. I don't agree with PGA not letting people play both the way they want. Not to watch Dustin Johnson not play in the PGA is nuts.

That's what some of the pros are saying. Meanwhile RBC cancelled their sponsorship of him because he is playing for the Saudis' league instead of honoring his commitment to play in the RBC sponsored Canadian Open this week. Which is a regular PGA tour event that as a tour member he was committed to supporting. Pulling potential players away from any regular tour event field is not in the tour's best interests.

Don't know what the answer is to this, but I know when people grab the money over honoring commitments it usually does not bode well. DJ's 96th in FedEx Cup points this season with only 2 top 10's. His stats are not good either and he has only played 10 events. Not seeing much to miss in all honesty. It looks like he mentally checked out months ago to me.

 

[Vols4us]

I follow the tour closely. The top players like DJ want to win as much money as possible while playing as little as possible. They want to win majors and and don’t care about the “John Deere Classic” but they are forced to play events that they don’t care about to keep pace in the Fed Ex Cup.

Other players like Na need the LIV tour to be competitive because their chances of winning are not good on the PGA Tour. Some of these players can earn more money with less competition and not have to stress about keeping your tour card.

Which is the problem. They loved the John Deere Classic when they were young guns trying to make it. They then dump it when they no longer need it. All tour events serve an important purpose for the good of the whole tour. When the fields dilute the interest and ratings drop. The money drops for all of the tour, which is involved in far more than just the tournaments. Charities suffer, businesses in the communities of the tournaments suffer, player retirement funding reduces, etc. It's not just all about the name players, which is what LIV is all about. Get the names and make a show to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the world.

 

[peaygolf]

Which is the problem. They loved the John Deere Classic when they were young guns trying to make it. They then dump it when they no longer need it. All tour events serve an important purpose for the good of the whole tour. When the fields dilute the interest and ratings drop. The money drops for all of the tour, which is involved in far more than just the tournaments. Charities suffer, businesses in the communities of the tournaments suffer, player retirement funding reduces, etc. It's not just all about the name players, which is what LIV is all about. Get the names and make a show to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of the world.

I always thought every tour player should be required to play at each tour stop once every three years…….

 

[Orangeslice13]

What does this mean? Where did it originate?

I read somewhere that Drew Gilbert did it once as a spontaneous thing. Beck asked him what it meant and he said it was just what he was feeling. So Beck started doing it too then it took off. It’s now the double celebration. Lol
At least that’s what I think I remember

 

[Batman1948]

Can someone please explain to me what this rift is on the PGA tour and LIV?..why are all of these PGA players resigning..I’ve read the negative concerning LIV but is it really true?..what is going on..so I can understand better from someone who keeps up with golf.

Basically, the PGA tour is afraid of competition and is using the media to spread their hate for LIV and the Saudi government. They have threatened any PGA member who plays in the LIV tournaments. That's why you see the resignations from the players. The PGA played their cards and it just may backfire on them. Professional golfers play for money and the LIV tour has lots of money . Politics have no place in sports but the media is is bed with the PGA on this issue.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Maybe but that call was 100% correct….. people complaining don’t understand the rule.

Cool. I obviously don't understand the rule. It looked to me like the runner was running on the baseline, was blocked by a 1st baseman that didn't have the ball, and was called out.

 

[peaygolf]

Former Gov Erik Barnes PGA Tour & US Open Bound - Austin Peay State University Athletics

Congrats to a great guy and a great representative of Austin Peay Golf!!!!!!!!

Let’s Go Erik and Team Mizuno.

 

[TheRain]

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

As a society we're good with using cheap communist Chinese wage rates to facilitate living beyond our means and have even celebrated it as controlling inflation to promote progress. Hard to criticize these golfers for taking Saudi money when considered in that light unless it's just because "we" believe they already have too much $? The idea that greed doesn't exist below a certain $$ threshold is an untrue and dangerous narrative designed to achieve a political and cultural objective. Greed exists in every economic strata and is equally problematic and ugly in all of them. We're all guilty to some degree.

The PGA has the luxury of hiding behind the idea that the status quo is ok because it's the status quo. They also had the luxury of Phil making a series of cataclysmically stupid decisions. My personal take is that they're pretty much all equally right/wrong. It's not a lot different than the frustrations created by non revenue generating NCAA members having the ability (if they vote in a block) to collectively govern the few dozen schools that produce all the revenue. Some of the revenue generators feel like the good outweighs the bad. Others disagree and are pushing for the Power 5 break. When that break occurs, and it will at some point, the dissenters will cite greed among other selfish interests as the motivation for the split but just like with LIV and the PGA, that narrative won't tell the whole story. Plenty of blame on all sides.

It's f'n stupid ass garbage...period.

 

[Orange.]

I read somewhere that Drew Gilbert did it once as a spontaneous thing. Beck asked him what it meant and he said it was just what he was feeling. So Beck started doing it too then it took off. It’s now the double celebration. Lol
At least that’s what I think I remember

I read it here. And, now: I trust you saw this the other night...

 

[VolGee4]

I follow the tour closely. The top players like DJ want to win as much money as possible while playing as little as possible. They want to win majors and and don’t care about the “John Deere Classic” but they are forced to play events that they don’t care about to keep pace in the Fed Ex Cup.

Other players like Na need the LIV tour to be competitive because their chances of winning are not good on the PGA Tour. Some of these players can earn more money with less competition and not have to stress about keeping your tour card.

DJ was “forced” to play the two RBC tournaments because he was being paid by RBC. Most of these highly skilled guys don’t have to play many more tournaments than they want. Win 1 and finish top 10 in a few more and you are fine for the FedEx Cup.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

This^^ I've been formulating my general opinions today and largely come to this. And I don't really care about golf.

Just seems like a "take the plank out of your own eye" first type of deal. We guzzle Chinese goods. Our beloved University has a multimillion dollar contract with Nike and our jerseys are made in Indonesian sweatshops with suicide nets. We guzzle Russian and Saudi oil. Our wife's diamonds (unless lab grown) have blood stains. The materials that make up our phones and computers came from massively destructive strip mines. Our military and space technology post-WW2 came largely from Nazi scientists. Much of the coffee we drink comes from cartel dominated countries with corrupt governments and human rights violations.

And a bet Saudis are mad they're paying and buying Americans that have damaged much of the Middle East and support Israel in their views.

So I guess it just doesn't move the needle for me unless I hop on a horse and look down. That's a lot of money, do it for a few years then get out if you want. I don't care your reasons for or against. Not my life or decision. Bring that cash back to the US... because we all know it's largely American money anyway.

So let's focus on some positives here: this opens up opportunities for young athletes and those on the fridge of making professional appearances to get opportunities in the US. It also may be one more opportunity for dialogue and connection to western culture and values. Interaction between two opposing peoples, finding common ground and understanding is the best way to build bridges and mend relationships.

It's f'n stupid ass garbage. The guys that cant earn their card, or can't cut it on the tour, are not worth watching.

Pro golf was the ultimate meritocracy...this is f'n stupid ass garbage.

 

[VolGee4]

Maybe but that call was 100% correct….. people complaining don’t understand the rule.

Watch 100 MLB plays to 1B and tell me how the Maryland runner was doing anything different.

 

[OrangeSticks]

It's f'n stupid ass garbage...period.

You make some great arguments. Personally, I’m a fan of team based competition with the best players in the world. Why doesn’t “The Tour” give it a shot? I’m not a fan of where the money comes from either, but when I get off my high horse and look at all the things I own that probably also contribute to bad things around the world, it makes it hard for me to point fingers. I’ll watch at least some of it to see if it’s entertaining. If it is, others will watch too and that is good for the game of golf, even if it isn’t good for “The PGA Tour”.

 

[peaygolf]

Had a chance to go to St Petersburg two years ago with my wife and in-laws. Dang Covid…….

Always wanted to go……

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Basically, the PGA tour is afraid of competition and is using the media to spread their hate for LIV and the Saudi government. They have threatened any PGA member who plays in the LIV tournaments. That's why you see the resignations from the players. The PGA played their cards and it just may backfire on them. Professional golfers play for money and the LIV tour has lots of money . Politics have no place in sports but the media is is bed with the PGA on this issue.

It's f'n stupid garbage

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

You make some great arguments. Personally, I’m a fan of team based competition with the best players in the world. Why doesn’t “The Tour” give it a shot? I’m not a fan of where the money comes from either, but when I get off my high horse and look at all the things I own that probably also contribute to bad things around the world, it makes it hard for me to point fingers. I’ll watch at least some of it to see if it’s entertaining. If it is, others will watch too and that is good for the game of golf, even if it isn’t good for “The PGA Tour”.

Good for you..it's f'n stupid gimmicky , and it hurts the real tours. If you wanna watch a bunch of crap exhibition golf with guys making huge appearance money parading as real competition...go for it.

 

[tnvols72]

 

[Orange.]

Had a chance to go to St Petersburg two years ago with my wife and in-laws. Dang Covid…….

Always wanted to go……

I've been and it was amazing. Maybe one day after the present insanity you'll get a chance. I'm an art history and a history buff: it's a must see for those. Midnight sun is a fun time.

 

[TheRain]

Oh great. Now the spider plague starts.