Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[UTSuave’]

I am quite a hitter, thank you

Welcomes

 

[UTSuave’]

 

[UTSuave’]

Sorry but 6-8 million for a high school athlete that hasn't played a down of college ball yet.

No thanks.

That is not smart investing.

**Bryce young has entered the chat**

 

[Weezer]

So we had two spots for transfers and we lost both but we still have no spots for other transfers. Makes perfect sense.

Or they just don't see anyone else as "fits".

We missed on Verse before Neyor committed, so it's possible there's only one spot and Neyor was set to take it before flipping. But the fact Neyor was set to be a mid-term enrollee means we have at least one spot. It's possible, but not certain, we have two. But is there anyone out there this staff wants, that they feel they can get? You don't use the spots just to use the spots. But I agree, it'd be nice if they found a player they wanted and brought him in.

 

[UTSuave’]

Safe to say…recruiting isn’t fun anymore with these NIL deals being the deciding factor

 

[731Vol]

My thoughts: Operated well under scholly limit for this past year. Will appease NCAA (for whatever reason). Will be able to move pass NCAA sanctions by this summer. Can start fresh at that time. But that limits our options currently. I just hope that some impact defensive transfers are available this summer. Swain really helped me grasp everything taking place right now with UT Football. Moral of the story: Patience.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

Wtf is this

That’s clearly a game changer coordinator.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Swain Event Hour 1 from this morning should be a mandatory listen for this board. Brings the whole situation with recruiting in perspective.

Thanks

 

[VolGee4]

You would think that, but if the rumors of Georgia being in the lead are true, I have to assume money is in play because QB development certainly is not.

I would be shocked if he went to UGA.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They've already declared 2 things:

1) 90% to players, 10% overhead

2) They are pushing to bring that 10% down to zero using another donation pool. Bringing it to 100% to players should further increase donations.

The one thing they haven't announced yet, but I've suggested to them, is a targeted, independent audit of those specfic funds. That would ease a lot of concerns imo and again increase donations.

A couple reasons I don't think that ever happens:

1. If I'm a big donor, I don't want people to know how much I'm putting into it. That's my business.
2. Once that number is out there, every other SEC school knows where we stand and they can operate accordingly.

And this is just an actual question, cause I just give my money to them and never ask:
Does the Tennessee Fund do full audits and release that information for money donated to them?

 

[orangejuice]

I’ll be honest, the transfer portal and NIL has taken all fun away from recruiting for me. I barley follow it anymore. Signing day used to be a holiday for me, but at finding it hard to care about it anymore.

 

[VolGee4]

So we had two spots for transfers and we lost both but we still have no spots for other transfers. Makes perfect sense.

Just not ones they want right now. They were willing to make the numbers work for players like Verse and Neyor, but they are being patient with others. Not really difficult. We don't just need to take someone just because we have a spot.

 

[engineerVOL]

That’s clearly a game changer coordinator.

Butch-level weird. This will be their “turnover trash can” or Derek Mason’s “lost notebook”

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Butch-level weird. This will be their “turnover trash can” or Derek Mason’s “lost notebook”

You make fun of the notebook, but he beat us three straight times after he found it.

 

[Orange.]

How long before the payroll for a college football exceeds that of a pro team?

"About 3 years ago" -- Kirby

 

[orange parmejohn]

Did anyone listen to Swain this morning? I saw a bunch of chatter about it on Twitter this AM, but haven't had a chance to listen to at least the first hour to see what he was talking about.

According to one tweet that I saw from a listener, Swain said that we outbid Texas for Neyor but other factors swung him their way.

No he didn’t say that. He just that the NIL wasn’t the reason we lost Neyor.

 

[SugarCC]

With everything that's happened, I expected us to struggle in recruiting. As far as the ESP is concerned, we didn't struggle as much as expected, and I'm happy for that, but we still struggled. Clearly, simply stating we are "struggling with recruiting" triggers some people. It isn't an indictment on the coaches as many of the "whys" are beyond their control, but it doesn't change that we are struggling with recruiting. This staff targets players they want and they pursue. We've struck out three times in the portal thus far. That is the very definition of struggling. Again, that does not mean I'm saying Heupel is a bad coach or that he needs to be fired. I don't believe that at all. But surely you, and others, agree that our recruiting needs to get better. We're being honest, right? In order to continue moving forward, recruiting has to improve. And I honestly believe every coach on this staff would agree with that statement which is why I fail to understand why some posters act so offended by such a simple truth. I have to believe this is a lingering effect of BVS, that stating simple truths can cause so many such pain.

With the risk of going back and forth again, and junking up the thread, I'll just say I think it comes down to how one looks at life in general...for lack of a better metaphor, is one a glass half full or empty kind of person. I think where some see success, others are always going to see struggle, and vice versa...no matter what evidence is presented on both sides.

If you see a #11 to #15 class as "still struggling", after years and years of Lane Kiffin, Derek Dooley, Butch Jones, Jeremy Pruitt, Mike Hamilton, Dave Hart, John Currie, Phillip Fulmer; headline after headline of "Toxic", "Laughable", "Dumpster Fire", "Debacle", "New Low", "TRASH"; being absolutely drug on social media (where recruits hang out night and day) day after day; 73-75 over the last decade plus, absolute sh!t product...one no better than Vanderbilt...think about that; Heupel not even being here a year yet, so no relationships; NCAA investigation; scholarship restrictions...damn, there I go presenting evidence again.

Yeah, I think it's just how one views life, period. No, I don't see us struggling in recruiting, at all. Before the season, if someone would have told me we'd be sitting here with the #11 to #15 class in the country, with a chance to add even more to it, I would have laughed at them. He landed Addison Nichols over UGA and Ohio St; held off UGA for Squirrel White; beat out Michigan (college football playoff) for Kaleb Webb; beat out UGA for James Pierce; beat out UGA and FSU for Tyre West; beat out Auburn for Justin Williams. The close they had leading up to, and on, esd is the best thing we have seen in recruiting in awhile...up there with the Darnell Wright, Henry T close. If that's "struggling", I'll take it...especially right now.

Now, the portal: we've missed on Jared Verse and Isaiah Neyor...Evans was NEVER! coming here, GIbbs was NEVER!!!!!! coming here, thanks again Jeremy Pruitt. Yes, missing Verse and Neyor sucks, and they are misses; and, yes, it can be said we are "struggling" with the portal at the moment. However, we have landed 3 players from the portal: one that will more than likely start at RT for us next year, and the two others could become solid back up's for us. Yes, we need more, absolutely. I would LOVE a DB or two, and a LB. Good thing we have 3 more months!!! Again, Velus and Payton did not arrive until AFTER THE SPRING. Also, again, we are in an ABSOLUTE numbers crunch right now...

Damn, there I go again, presenting evidence.

I'm not "triggered", and it's not BVS (I don't believe in BVS)...like all half empty people, I just feel sorry, sad, disgusted for; and, get sick and tired of reading the same miserable sh!t over and over again. In this, I KNOW I'm not alone.

 

[orange parmejohn]

Swain Event Hour 1 from this morning should be a mandatory listen for this board. Brings the whole situation with recruiting in perspective.

It was a good listen but perspective doesn’t matter on Saturdays in the fall.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Agreed. Just like when the story came out that Ollie Lane hand wrote thank you letters to every coach that offered him, I knew that he would be a star.

The two are not in the same talent stratosphere.

 

[Revived2002]

My thoughts: Operated well under scholly limit for this past year. Will appease NCAA (for whatever reason). Will be able to move pass NCAA sanctions by this summer. Can start fresh at that time. But that limits our options currently. I just hope that some impact defensive transfers are available this summer. Swain really helped me grasp everything taking place right now with UT Football. Moral of the story: Patience.

I’m signed up for patience. I am completely fine with giving Heupel and the administration time and space.

If Tennessee can keep the same AD and head coach for 6+ years I’m supremely confident we will all like where the program is headed.

Tennessee has long been a program that requires stability to be good. No quick winners here - otherwise we would have seen it the past decade or so the same way Florida, LSU and others see it with bad coaches.

 

[engineerVOL]

Ohhhh he’s the Special Teams Coordinator.

 

[engineerVOL]

DOTV

 

[Nashvegas31]

I'm not really disagreeing, but Georgia under Kirby Smart has not been developing QBs. I don't think that's really debatable.

Didn’t say it wasn’t. Just saying final decision will be based on development not money as money is everywhere for that family and his future in National NIL deals. There are some rumors Monken is going back to NFL and Brady could be in mix at UGA if that happens. I suspect that is where the rumors of lead are coming from.

 

[Tennessee Golfer]

DOTV

Hang the banner!

 

[Nashvegas31]

Didn’t hubbs say yesterday we were outbid essentially and today we outbid them?

I doubt we outbid TX. Swain probably trying to make Spyre look better since they are catching heat