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most will. for a while. i know i will, and i am happy it seems that era is on it's way behind us.

but you can only go 7-5/8-4 for so long before it grows stale, and even people like me will start losing their minds again. :)

it's inevitable. but for now...it's all rainbows and unicorns. and that's enough. nobody sees us on the same plane with GA and Bama. we'll see how aTm's strategy works for them, but i'm not sold that methodology nets the same results GA and Bama are getting. feels more like Ole MIss under Freeze. we'll see.

i think it's fair to look around the landscape of the SEC and see GA and Bama, and look around the rest of the league and see a lot of similarities in the middle tier. so if we're competitive there, and win more than we lose, then it is what it is. i think in 22, the LSU and FL games will be big barometers for us. USCe game late will be bigger than most want to admit, right now anyway. and i think going to Pittsburgh will be a bit of a measuring stick. see us beat a team we lost to last year. that'd be good.

anyway....hopefully most don't have any misconceptions on where we are, and where we are is....we still have a ways to go in a lot areas....but it looks like we're going in the right direction finally.

I'm not as content or as patient as some, but I think breaking out of midpack will come down to the coaches-- their hunger to win, their aggressiveness in making the changes they need to win faster and their willingness to bring in new people and embrace new ideas to move beyond plateaus.

Mark Richt got UGA to consistent wins, division titles and conference championships. That was good for a while. Then UGA wanted more. They fired Richt and Kirby took them to the next level. He went about it a different way. UGA changed.

Phillip Fulmer won a NC at UT. He was hungry-- some say he was ruthless-- then he got complacent. He made some bad hires, had some bad losses, wasn't as committed, and the Fulmer way was no longer a winning way. Nobody since has duplicated his success. Have they been determined enough, skilled enough and focused enough? No. Did they surround themselves with the right people? No.

Pat Summitt won "the right way" at UT. Pat was hungry, she was driven, she worked exceptionally hard and recruited the best players she could get within her standards. She set her own goals and made her own luck. Holly couldn't duplicate Pat's way. She couldn't change, and she couldn't grow into a new role. I think Kellie can, if she's willing to make some changes.

Rick Barnes understands "the right way." But is he hungry enough, is he driven enough, is he willing to make the changes to get over the hump? What is he most motivated to do? Is he focused on hanging banners and willing to work within the current landscape to do it?

There are many ways to work within a system and rise above it-- even if the system itself has inherent flaws and needs to evolve. You win with people. Pat said it, and she was right. UT has implemented a foundation, defined a culture and is giving the marquee HCs the resources and infrastructure to build successful programs. It's up to the coaches to build with people and win with them. UT is a school that can win, though they haven't made it the easiest place to win at the highest level. I think some of our programs are closer than others-- and that opinion correlates to the HC.
 
You’re talking to a fanbase that had many fanboys taking up for Dooley, Butch, and Pruitt. With your passion about being on top it’s hard to reason with fans who are “content”. But what Im going to pay attn to is will the football get better and wins start increasing starting this coming season. Will CJH and staff be better. Next step is beating same East teams plus Florida. I would also expect LSU to be beatable this season.
Yup. The same lot of fanboys who want to protect Barnes at all costs. Just because we had idiots in charge doesnt mean we do now. Change isnt bad if the decisions made are competent.
 
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I'm not as content or as patient as some, but I think breaking out of midpack will come down to the coaches-- their hunger to win, their aggressiveness in making the changes they need to win faster and their willingness to bring in new people and embrace new ideas to move beyond plateaus.

Mark Richt got UGA to consistent wins, division titles and conference championships. That was good for a while. Then UGA wanted more. They fired Richt and Kirby took them to the next level. He went about it a different way. UGA changed.

Phillip Fulmer won a NC at UT. He was hungry-- some say he was ruthless-- then he got complacent. He made some bad hires, had some bad losses, wasn't as committed, and the Fulmer way was no longer a winning way. Nobody since has duplicated his success. Have they been determined enough, skilled enough and focused enough? No. Did they surround themselves with the right people? No.

Pat Summitt won "the right way" at UT. Pat was hungry, she was driven, she worked exceptionally hard and recruited the best players she could get within her standards. She set her own goals and made her own luck. Holly couldn't duplicate Pat's way. She couldn't change, and she couldn't grow into a new role. I think Kellie can, if she's willing to make some changes.

Rick Barnes understands "the right way." But is he hungry enough, is he driven enough, is he willing to make the changes to get over the hump? What is he most motivated to do? Is he focused on hanging banners and willing to work within the current landscape to do it?

There are many ways to work within a system and rise above it-- even if the system itself has inherent flaws and needs to evolve. You win with people. Pat said it, and she was right. UT has implemented a foundation, defined a culture and is giving the marquee HCs the resources and infrastructure to build successful programs. It's up to the coaches to build with people and win with them. UT is a school that can win, though they haven't made it the easiest place to win at the highest level. I think some of our programs are closer than others-- and that opinion correlates to the HC.
All things aside. How would you rank programs as far as being close? Which the highest and which the lowest of the marquee sports?
 
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The more we win, the more people will want to win. Winning is fun. Right now, a lot of people want to stop not-fun. Next step: fun. This board is a microcosm of fan opinion.

Makes sense. The program has stumbled to the point where we have to achieve sustained stability before we take the next step.
 
A stud QB can get us over the top from “stable program” to “championship contender”. Watson did it for Dabo. Look at Hooker in this offense. He lit up the scoreboard and was a top 10 QB statistically. But…how many missed throws were there throughout the year? Plenty. If Heupel finds him a legit 1st round QB, we will be tough. Let’s hope he can find that guy.
 
You are talking in circles. You absolutely did say it because they aren’t going about it how you like. If you are going to complain about a differing opinion on how to achieve the goal, then it is best to move on. You will never be happy. Not difficult to understand. Need to grow up.

I’ve purposely avoided discussions with you recently, so I’m moving on now, too.
Dang I wish I knew who you were arguing with. You're doing a heckuva job.
 
Did he call fair catch? If so he was impeded from catching that ball. Not free until it touches the ground.
 
Still not sold on the Lady Vols. I have to give them credit for what they've accomplished. I just don't see them sustaining. They absolutely have no offensive identity. Their defense is stout though.

On the men's side they seem broken. They seem to be going through the motions. I have little confidence they'll turn it around. I see a bubble team and if they do get in, a first round loss. They have zero inside game and are a below average shooting team.

I'm not calling for Barnes job. I have zero confidence we can do any better. As I've mentioned before, the top three teams in the conference are coached by proven cheaters. I don't think the UT administration is dedicated enough to winning to swim in the same waters as these teams. They're content to have average teams and remain "amateur" status. Even with NIL they seem to be satisfied with trying to play the game the way is was meant to be played rather than exploit the opportunity as the big boys have. I think it's no coincidence when it comes to the fall off in recruiting and NIL. By his own words, Coach Barnes seems in denial about what's happening in saying that he doesn't believe that the players will get what they're being promised. He doesn't seem to want to play that game.

Given all that, I have lowered my expectations for all UT sports. In order to be competitive at the highest levels you have to be dedicated to it. I just don't have the feeling that UT has a desire to do what it takes to compete at that level. JMO.

Very well stated.

My post was a joke…

With that being said please be as tough on the men’s team as you are on the lady’s team. It has really helped them!

Right now, the men’s team needs any and all the help that they can get.

🤠
 
Guess so. Also think Dexter was one of dumbest things ive ever seen.

Do like Mike Judge humor as well as the Office, in small doses.
Have you watched Dexter from S1E1 and through S1?

It ebbed and flowed from there, I'd agree, but the beginning was one of the greatest character studies ever seen on tv. Not many shows even allow for that amount of space for an in-depth character study and they...killed it... I'll show myself the door
 
Show me where the coaches are talking about championships as a goal?

No, you show me where they are not. Bet there is not a single 8-4 or bust plaque on the wall anywhere. There is a big difference between goals and expectations for the rational. Hopes are somewhere in the middle. Best effort and loyalty are the only true nonnegotiable requirements out there. We have a way bigger problem in those areas with our fan base than ourcurrent squad and staff.
 
Have you watched Dexter from S1E1 and through S1?

It ebbed and flowed from there, I'd agree, but the beginning was one of the greatest character studies ever seen on tv. Not many shows even allow for that amount of space for an in-depth character study and they...killed it... I'll show myself the door
yes, i absolutely abhor that show hence why i provided an example
 
IDK how long it'll last. A while. FWIW, UT does research on this, and there are a lot of fans who're tired of the instability. The university is tired of being embarrassed. And there is a very strong leadership push for strengthening academics. All of which folds into "the right way" position as a foundation for rebuilding UT sports.

It's true that TV dollars are program drivers. It's also true that UT needs facility upgrades beyond the master plan and has been slow-- very slow, in some cases-- to execute. And UT has higher academic aspirations than some schools. Lot of competition for slices of a bigger pie. But UT does want to compete-- hence, the Spyre partnership to pool funding and broker deals across UT sports. It's better on multiple levels for this to be handled through a collective external to UT. And having Spyre affiliate with Opendorse is better, as well.

Recruiting and staffing-- that's where UT can fast-track. It's up to the coaches to be more aggressive within the expectations UT has created. IMO, that's where some programs can rise above while others may be more conservative. We'll see.
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The epitaph being written on here of Barnes demise is way too premature IMO.

A casual perusal through the W/L records of past FF participants should remind folks not to rush to judgment in January.

We will see if he can regain the trust of this team and build an offensive identity. The time required will be measured in years, not days.
Yup.

How can anyone forget 2011 UConn, the Kemba Walker team?

They were 1-5 heading into league play. But had an elite guard that turned it on at the right time and they ran the field from that point on.
 
The more we win, the more people will want to win. Winning is fun. Right now, a lot of people want to stop not-fun. Next step: fun. This board is a microcosm of fan opinion.
This is so true. Right now I think most of the fans just want to not be a laughing stock. But after about 2 or 3 non-laughingstock seasons, we will all demand more!
 
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Think you've nailed UT's strategy-- and the expectation that fans will be proud to support the teams and happy that the decade of instability is over.
Sounds good in theory, but have these people met UT fans?

We better not have even one down year or we'll burn the whole thing down so quick.
 
Very well stated.

My post was a joke…

With that being said please be as tough on the men’s team as you are on the lady’s team. It has really helped them!

Right now, the men’s team needs any and all the help that they can get.

🤠
The men's team will lose the rest of their games and all the players will transfer out.

The lady Vols suck and will always suck as long as pretty Holly is coaching. 😁
 
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