Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Man, I know it happened, but we're talking about just 1 throw that was within his control turning out differently. It isn't always the case where if just one thing occurred differently, the narrative surrounding something totally changes. This is one of those cases though.

If Milton hit just one deep ball, and Hyatt doesn't drop those passes, then you and I would be in here telling everybody to pump the brakes because Milton still can't anticipate throws, and we'd be getting flamed by people who would be talking about how awesome his arm is and how big he is. Seriously.

It was two deep throws that he badly overthrew to a wide open Tillman..why do you keep saying one?

 

[chavisut]

I like how people are mentioning the last staff didn’t start Bailey as if that is some indictment against him.

 

[05_never_again]

It was two deep throws that he badly overthrew to a wide open Tillman..why do you keep saying one?

Because if he only hit one of them, it would have been a TD, and the narrative would be different. He only would have needed to have hit one of those for people to get excited about him.

 

[orangejuice]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

When you say gimmick, I take you don’t think this offense will ever be successful?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

SMH...and people call me a broken record..

 

[BucVol98]

He shouldn't be doing those things is my point. He shouldn't even be getting contacted. He's a QB. We don't need him to get injured trying to act like a RB. The fact that he wasn't sliding means he wasn't timid enough.

Josh Dobbs, Cam Newton, and hell Tebow for that matter would beg to differ with you. Now if Joe was like 6' 185 I might tend to agree with your points more

 

[JT3]

Dobrucky's uncle said that Milton wasn't the best QB on the roster and that everyone is shaking their heads why he was the starter. He said Bailey was the clear best QB on the roster. Something like that.

Who is Dobrucky?

Better question is who the hell is his uncle?

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because if he only hit one of them, it would have been a TD, and the narrative would be different. He only would have needed to have hit one of those for people to get excited about him.

Oh...I understand..it sounded like you didn't see them both..

 

[BucVol98]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

Was it a gimmick when it was one of the top Offenses in the SEC a few short years ago?

 

[Ten_Titans]

Imagine not knowing who Dobrucky's uncle is. Damn casuals.

 

[Vols2DaWall]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

Agree that the offense falters against legitimate defenses but the 2nd quarter fiasco was driven by their offense controlling the ball and converting multiple times against our D. They had one 3 and out and then the last possession with the hail mary

 

[05_never_again]

Oh...I understand..it sounded like you didn't see them both..

I'm not saying Milton had a good game - hell, even if he hit both deep throws to Tillman, and Hyatt catches both drops, I can't say I would have been wowed by his performance. But the narrative around here would be 180 degrees different, I know that, and anybody pointing out how poorly he threw the anticipatory throws would be quickly flamed and labeled a Negavol.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that narratives around here (and everywhere) hinge on like one or two plays, which is nuts, but that's how it goes.

 

[NMVol]

Who is Dobrucky?

Better question is who the hell is his uncle?

Am wondering if the Dobrucky uncle is in discussions to endow the head coaching position on the Hill?

 

[JT3]

I like how people are mentioning the last staff didn’t start Bailey as if that is some indictment against him.

Yea Bailey missed damn near all of fall camp due to contact tracing.

I doubt he would have started anyway.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

When you say gimmick, I take you don’t think this offense will ever be successful?

He has said that since the moment Heupel was hired and nothing that happens will ever change it..look at the dumb statement he just made that Pitt "Had the recipe" for stopping his offense when UCF scored 34 with a true freshman QB playing his third game..

This is the same guy that wants Tee Martin to be the HC and is to go back to running the archaic offense we did in the eighties and nineties.

 

[pismonque]

If they want Milton to be a run threat they should help keep his legs fresh by setting a stool in the backfield for him to sit on while studying the receivers downfield.

 

[UTProf]

We ran because there was a soft box all night. BG expected us to air it all over the place just like we all did, but one hallmark of heupel’s offenses is taking what the defense gives you and making them pay for it. Milton wasn’t perfect but we ran because we were doing it well, not because Milton wasn’t cutting it. In fact, I suspect miltons performance was at least in part due to not being able to get into a rhythm bc the running game was humming. His opening two drives were great bc he was in his stride.

This sounds almost logical. Not sure I should believe.

In all seriousness, I saw two really dumb decisions by Milton and a lot of standing around too long because he knew he wasn’t going to get touched. If he had tucked and committed to running a few of those he’d have gotten some big gains. That’s another thing, Milton looked slow or as some have said soft as a runner because he didn’t fully commit to them. If he commits they are bigger gains by quite a lot. He has stuff to clean up but I’m not ready to throw him or anyone else overboard on 30 point win by a 3 win team ranked 111th in offense the past two seasons. People talked up how bad BG was but have conveniently ignored that at no point have we been much better. GA State for God’s Sake!

 

[Volitaire]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

Only our fans could think a hurry up offense is a gimmick…

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

Chadwell was a popular choice among Vol fans for the head coaching job. Is his offense considered a gimmick? A pro style offense could be given the same label. Eliminate the run game and a pro style offense loses most of its luster. I guess Nebraska's option could've been considered a gimmick offense as well. They sure dominated college football for many years with it however.

 

[KPT_VFL]

I think it does. It doesn’t mean they WILL beat it. But they’ve proven they can.

This offense is a gimmick - it’s like watching a 10 year old play Madden once they figure out the no huddle button. Bowling Green could not take advantage of it because of the talent and size disparity, but you saw in the second quarter what happens when things are “figured out” a little bit.

Ok Kingston you could say the same about any offense… I wouldnt call it a “gimmick”. Are you saying that any time a team figures out an offense for a few series or a quarter that it’s just bad offense? There are ups and downs to every offense. Maybe it’s not the best offense on earth but it’s an upgrade from what we had? College football is like 95% who has the most talented and deep team. We’ve shutout Bama in quarters before. Hell Butch had the lead on them late in the 4th. I think the offense is for sure handicapped without a great QB but what offense isnt? There were lots of positives in the game but just as many areas that need major improvement. We are a long way away but not everything is a negative.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Was it a gimmick when it was one of the top Offenses in the SEC a few short years ago?

That is the most overhyped season I think I have ever seen. Go back and look at the teams they scored well against.

 

[JT3]

Only our fans could think a hurry up offense is a gimmick…

The only thing I don't like about hurry up offense is that you still go fast after negative or zero yard plays. I wish we would take our time and find the best play to get positive yards then continue to go fast.

I feel like going fast after negative or zero yard plays more times than not lead to 3 & outs. I do understand that by slowing down tho you give the defense the opportunity to catch their breath, audible, or even substitute.

 

[Kingston Vol]

When you say gimmick, I take you don’t think this offense will ever be successful?

No, not at all. I think it’s very possible for it to be successful.

But I think in this league talent comes first and scheme comes second.

What Heupel does is essentially try to exhaust a defense - and more specifically, one particular CB, Safety, DE, etc. It can work and there’s nothing wrong with it.

But what I would prefer is simply recruiting good players and go head to head with the opposing team. Not trying to find a shortcut to success via gaming the snap count.

 

[delfonic]

It’s more than a little disingenuous to act like no huddle, high speed offenses are a gimmick now. Anyone who watches football at ANY level has seen them be successful for spans of seasons at a time. Bowling Green may have figured it out but two or three throws/drops/penalties make that game 70 to 6.

 

[Kingston Vol]

Heupel will very likely have very good statistical offense here at Tennessee over multiple seasons. To dispute that would be asinine given his track record.

However, you can’t say you are sure that will ever equate to more than a 7 or 8 win season in this particular conference playing against this level of talent.