Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

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VolGee4 said:
Get over yourself. A couple of years ago, I was a part of a local leadership program that most reasonably sized cities have annually. It lasted 6 months, but our first meeting was a weekend retreat where we did outside activities like that. It was held at a location where corporations send their leaders, and it was outstanding.

What’s funny is people have complained about our team’s lack of an alpha or a lack of player leadership and no chemistry. This stuff teaches communication, teamwork, trust, and leadership. Things that an 85 man roster needs to succeed, and things these guys can use beyond football. My guess is that Josh Heupel himself has taken leadership training. Our last coach apparently had only taken “handout” training.
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I agree with you and I think this is how you build chemistry. Other activities might be like white water rafting over class 5 rapids, class 4 as a minimum. Group skydiving would be a good one. Maybe going on a team hike through the Amazon jungle in northern Brazil. I guess you could also do shark observations in an underwater cage. Essentially any activity that is intensely engaging and ideally I think gets the adrenaline pumping. I think those work the best. It all starts with getting out of your comfort zone. That scares some people. jmo.

I don't understand any comparison to our opponents, not that you made any yourself. I mean in 2019 Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Arkansas, and Missouri fired their coaches. This past year in addition to us, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, and Auburn fired their coaches. That's 8 out of the 14 of SEC teams in the past I guess 15 months who have fired their coaches. From what I gather things are warming up in Gainesville and maybe even Athens. LSU may be looking for a new man within the next couple years. There are really only 2 safe coaches in the SEC. Fisher is probably not one of them. I think it's Saban and Stoops. Saban because he'll be there till he dies and Stoops because Kentucky fans don't really expect to do better. jmo.
 
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Weezer said:
I have fought that beast. 11 shots, that I remember, in about an hour, hour and a half time period. Only time I ever blacked out from drinking. We used to shoot Clear before going to the club, then once we hit the club, we could nurse a drink and maintain our drunk. We got the bright idea to play a game doing shots of Clear one night, and I think it's safe to say the Everclear won.
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It ALWAYS Wins!
 
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Weezer said:
I have fought that beast. 11 shots, that I remember, in about an hour, hour and a half time period. Only time I ever blacked out from drinking. We used to shoot Clear before going to the club, then once we hit the club, we could nurse a drink and maintain our drunk. We got the bright idea to play a game doing shots of Clear one night, and I think it's safe to say the Everclear won.
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In HS, fought Wild Turkey.

I still rarely, if ever drink brown liquor to this day. Doesn't taste good through your nose.
 
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drvenner said:
No one wears underwear anymore.
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Umm, speak for yourself. Can’t have the boys running around out of control. I wear scrubs to work. It would be very obvious if not for my boxer briefs.
Check out BN3TH boxer briefs. Game changers. Might be TMI or could be a PSA... you be the judge. 🤔
 
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volbeast33 said:
Looks like Miles would have a pretty good argument since the previous investigation showed that he did not warrant punishment or termination.
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He better hope so, otherwise his show cause will come with a complementary tomb stone; it will be so long...
 
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VolsDoc81TX said:
Umm, speak for yourself. Can’t have the boys running around out of control. I wear scrubs to work. It would be very obvious if not for my boxer briefs.
Check out BN3TH boxer briefs. Game changers. Might be TMI or could be a PSA... you be the judge. 🤔
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I am a trend bucker. Commando is normally not an option for me. Don't really care if it's TMI or not. Thanks for the PSA.
 
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ChattaTNVol said:
“The SEC is a Line of Scrimmage League”

Football Outsiders has been ranking FBS offensive and defensive lines since 2014. They measure performance on standard downs and passing downs. They give offensive lines credit I think for up to the first 3 yards and then 50% of the yards up to 8. Everything over 8 yards goes to the running back. Standard downs and passing downs I think are defined by where you are relative to schedule. For example if you take a sack or otherwise don’t gain your scheduled yards on first down then second down becomes a passing down because you’re behind schedule. Negative yardage plays are assessed against the offensive line at 125% of the yardage lost. They delete garbage time plays from the analysis. That’s a basic description of how they do it, to my understanding.

The following table looks at the rankings for offensive lines of interest. Elarbee was the Arkansas State OLine coach in 2014 and 2015, then joined Heupel at MO in 2016 & 2017, then followed him to UCF in 2018-20, and is now here with him. It is often said that an OC can help the OL so I’m also showing the OL’s for Heupel’s career, where data is available. I would note that when you have to replace a substantial portion of your OL from one year to the next I think it has mostly been expected that the OL will regress to some degree. Experience in college football is most valuable on the LOS, particularly so in the SEC. jmo.

I’ve also added two columns on the right to show the rankings of the defensive lines by Football Outsiders, for Tennessee and Auburn. Garner has been the DLine coach at Auburn since before Football Outsiders started tracking line performance. Before that Garner was at Georgia for a number of years. I’m not sure we could have hired a better DLine coach. I hope I don’t have to eat those words. jmo.

While we lost some guys on the OL even with his idiocy and constant shuffling I think Pruitt accidentally left us with a lot of guys that have experience. We’re a long ways from starting over. I think the same is true for the DLine and given the expected change in scheme I wasn’t surprised to see Mincey hit the transfer portal. I don’t think he’s fast enough to be a 4-2 DE and not big enough to be a DT. He was recruited for a 3-4 base and I presume he’d have precious few snaps if he stayed with us. jmo.

I don’t think you can actually compare offensive lines with a Pro-style QB to offensive lines with a Dual-threat QBs and expect it to be a fair comparison but Football Outsiders makes no distinction. For example, Josh Dobbs may have been able to play behind a middle school offensive line even in the SEC and make them look good. jmo

I think you can see in the table that Elarbee had to start from scratch at ASU and MO but inherited some experience at UCF. I think the table indicates that he has had a lot of success developing and improving offensive line performance. In 2018 if you recall we didn’t have enough offensive linemen here for spring practice. While many fans might argue otherwise the data clearly indicates we have been improving.

Offensive and defensive lines aren't like the skill positions. They seldom get the glory and almost always take the blame for the poor play of some of the skill position guys. I think the table accurately reflects where we were and the improvement we’ve been able to make on the LOS on both sides of the ball. I expect given who Heupel has chosen to coach those position groups, and with our returning experience, improvement should continue into this coming year. jmo.

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During that timeframe, Elarbe only coached two OLs rated worse than Tennessee’s OL. Hopefully he can work the same improvement here...
 
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I4Jay said:
the emails from the boosters are disgusting.
I hope every black player on that team walks off the field the first home game so they can get their wish:

“As I said before the blacks are free and it's time for them to move on to another state where everything is in their favor."
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Let’s see how that works out for them... but hey, they can still sing their song, right?
 
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SSVol said:
If the emotional and psychological health of the team is what is lacking, then what they are doing may be more important than other things. Just because you don't appreciate the value in it, doesn't mean there isn't value. I'm gonna defer to the guy with the stack of accomplishments until it is clear I shouldn't.

And by them putting it out, they control the narrative.
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Exactly. After what the previous staff put them through, I think a little teamwork, leadership, and self confidence work is what these kids need. It also shows them the new coaches care more about them than just what they do on the football field. You have to be right mentally before you can work together on the field.
 
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