Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[VolNRaleighNC]

It's not like UT doesn't run the numbers and evaluate all scenarios. Fans always claim a new coach will send ticket sales through the roof and make a coaching change profitable, but that hasn't been the case. Attendance goes up and ticket sales blip, but the increase in ticket and gameday revenue isn't enough to cover the many expenses of a coaching change.

Not to mention UT has facility renovations and upgrades on the calendar, and TV revenue is down due to COVID. I have more of a cut your losses perspective so I agree that it's not always about numbers, but like I've said, Fulmer is willing to ride with Pruitt and there's little enthusiasm for a coaching change at UT this year. It would take a shift in thinking, top-down.

Tell them to hire someone worth a damn and they’ll see a return on their investment. You get what you pay for. We gotta bunch of Side Show Bobs trying to run things. Frickin’ idiots.

 

[InVOLuntary]

If Auburn makes a coaching change, guess who stays? Rodney Garner. If LSU moves on from Oregeron, guess who isn’t following? Tommy Moffett. Not everything is mandated when a new HC takes over. And Beamer may be a fine coach but it’s unproven that he’s this sound ship you swim towards.

In case you didn't know. Tommy is from Tennessee. Also he is the father-in-law of former VFL, Billy Barron.

 

[Kingston Vol]

You mean the guy who hired arguably our worst coach in history? No offense but Phil hasn’t proven anything as an AD yet.

To be fair, Pruitt was absolutely the correct option over Tucker and Steele.

And that’s after the fans vetoed his first pick (Doeren) and had his second pick leak and fall through at the last minute (Brohm).

 

[mr.checkerboards]

To be fair, Pruitt was absolutely the correct option over Tucker and Steele.

And that’s after the fans vetoed his first pick (Doeren) and had his second pick leak and fall through at the last minute (Brohm).

Ive wondered what would've happened if Fulmer followed through with Boring Doren

 

[daugag02]

Altmyer decommits from FSU; looks headed to Ole Miss

 

[VolNRaleighNC]

To be fair, Pruitt was absolutely the correct option over Tucker and Steele.

And that’s after the fans vetoed his first pick (Doeren) and had his second pick leak and fall through at the last minute (Brohm).

All those names are ground ball outs to the short stop. Not even trying to swing for the outfield. Our admin doesn’t really care to compete.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

This is so right.

I am stunned at how this place has turned on the guy - all for scummy Hugh Freeze no less!

Don’t care if it is Freeze. We can get a good coach. It’s extending Pruitt when we didn’t need to. Rookie move. And then seemingly hitching his wagon to a coach that is not going to work out to prove himself right. If he rolls with Pruitt another year, it will put us further behind and cost us more in additional assistant buyouts.

 

[BruinVol]

Yes on his podcast on YouTube for 2-3 weeks he's said he thinks Bailey will start

Then he’s been good at flip flopping because he and Hubbs both said JG was starting a auburn

 

[Catbone]

We’re tired of being a second rate loser program. We want to win. Pruitt isn’t the guy, everyone knows that, so fire him now and get someone new. Fulmer won’t hire Freeze? Fine, get someone else. A winner. Another offseason of hiring and firing assistants is the best we can do? Pathetic.

I love the new Ron swanson

 

[Kingston Vol]

All those names are ground ball outs to the short stop. Not even trying to swing for the outfield. Our admin doesn’t really care to compete.

Not going to happen here.

 

[I4Jay]

Eh, I’ll ride with Phil. He knows what it takes to win here.

does he?

 

[GoBigOrange86]

Not going to happen here.

Why not? What about the last 15 years have the powers that be enjoyed? At what point do they come to the realization that their method doesn’t work?

 

[Kingston Vol]

does he?

If he doesn't then no one does.

 

[RiotVol]

Thought this was interesting...

How Do College Football Dynasties Fall?

The line about recruiting and Georgia is on point. Clemson snatched our recruiting footprint.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

It's not like UT doesn't run the numbers and evaluate all scenarios. Fans always claim a new coach will send ticket sales through the roof and make a coaching change profitable, but that hasn't been the case. Attendance goes up and ticket sales blip, but the increase in ticket and gameday revenue isn't enough to cover the many expenses of a coaching change.

Not to mention UT has facility renovations and upgrades on the calendar, and TV revenue is down due to COVID. I have more of a cut your losses perspective so I agree that it's not always about numbers, but like I've said, Fulmer is willing to ride with Pruitt and there's little enthusiasm for a coaching change at UT this year. It would take a shift in thinking, top-down.

Instead of looking like a top program with a pee wee football team, we invest in a real coach and win. More money would pour in then for renovations.

 

[bluegrasser]

It's not like UT doesn't run the numbers and evaluate all scenarios. Fans always claim a new coach will send ticket sales through the roof and make a coaching change profitable, but that hasn't been the case. Attendance goes up and ticket sales blip, but the increase in ticket and gameday revenue isn't enough to cover the many expenses of a coaching change.

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I think that’s pretty faulty analysis because it is based on what past hires? Dooley? Butch? Pruitt?
I mean, each one of those was a google search name. And if we crazed VolNation folks had to search, you can bet the garden variety fan had no idea who those were.
we just don’t have a sample size of hiring a big name “wow” factor coach to say that wouldn’t result in increased ticket sales.

 

[scvolfan7]

That’s not what I’m talking about.

I remember the absolute, unmitigated GLEE around these parts when Fulmer finally got the job. “We’re taking our program back from the Haslams!”

Pruitt isn’t going to survive, that’s pretty clear to me. But I would still rather have Fulmer in charge than some penny pinching, spreadsheeting toting nerd who cares more about his resume than the athletic department.

Gotcha. However, doesn’t it look like Fulmer is penny pinching by not firing the Gump?

 

[scvolfan7]

I think that’s pretty faulty analysis because it is based on what past hires? Dooley? Butch? Pruitt?
I mean, each one of those was a google search name. And if we crazed VolNation folks had to search, you can bet the garden variety fan had no idea who those were.
we just don’t have a sample size of hiring a big name “wow” factor coach to say that wouldn’t result in increased ticket sales.

Also, all those guys viewed this job as a stepping stone. None of them really cared about being the HC here

 

[Kingston Vol]

Gotcha. However, doesn’t it look like Fulmer is penny pinching by not firing the Gump?

I don't think so. Fulmer can get the money moving. That's never been a problem for him.

If Pruitt is back next year, it's because Fulmer believes he can win next year and beyond. Not because the athletic department doesn't have the money.

 

[SSVol]

It's not like UT doesn't run the numbers and evaluate all scenarios. Fans always claim a new coach will send ticket sales through the roof and make a coaching change profitable, but that hasn't been the case. Attendance goes up and ticket sales blip, but the increase in ticket and gameday revenue isn't enough to cover the many expenses of a coaching change.

Not to mention UT has facility renovations and upgrades on the calendar, and TV revenue is down due to COVID. I have more of a cut your losses perspective so I agree that it's not always about numbers, but like I've said, Fulmer is willing to ride with Pruitt and there's little enthusiasm for a coaching change at UT this year. It would take a shift in thinking, top-down.

So far, perhaps. But apathy is setting in and leadership shows zero aptitude and willingness to solve this.

I'm a premium seat owner. I chose to use the down times to improve my options, because I believed we were fixing it. I'm no longer convinced of that, and if my tickets hadn't rolled, I not sure I'd be renewing. I have no desire to spend that much money to watch my team get humiliated. I'm not alone.

 

[scvolfan7]

I don't think so. Fulmer can get the money moving. That's never been a problem for him.

If Pruitt is back next year, it's because Fulmer believes he can win next year and beyond. Not because the athletic department doesn't have the money.

If he believes Pruitt can win here, he’s an idiot

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

To be fair, Pruitt was absolutely the correct option over Tucker and Steele.

And that’s after the fans vetoed his first pick (Doeren) and had his second pick leak and fall through at the last minute (Brohm).

He should have hired Tee. Period. He could have groomed him (not a Bama lover), gave him all the resources Pruitt was given, and let him hire the best assistants he could get. We are past that experiment now and need a proven head coach, but he was told by many to go with Tee and he decided against it. Now we are close to going over a cliff.

 

[I4Jay]

Phil didn’t get run off, ran himself off.
he made his assistant hires.
He fell behind the times.
He held on to Chavis antiquated schemes.
His recruiting slipped.

 

[Volator]

If he doesn't then no one does.

Maybe 15-20 years ago. CPF believes in his “Tennessee Way” and doesn’t have a good track record of hires. For every Cutcliff and Chavis, there are Clawson, Sanders, etc. He didn’t think (and still does) that he shouldn’t have fired.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

So far, perhaps. But apathy is setting in and leadership shows zero aptitude and willingness to solve this.

I'm a premium seat owner. I chose to use the down times to improve my options, because I believed we were fixing it. I'm no longer convinced of that, and if my tickets hadn't rolled, I not sure I'd be renewing. I have no desire to spend that much money to watch my team get humiliated. I'm not alone.

I know quite a few who wouldn’t renew if their tickets hadn’t rolled over. Part of the problem too since they aren’t seeing the fall off in sales since many rolled them over. Apathy is setting in.