Recruiting Forum Football Talk III

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Lol

Quit trying to put Steele on us. I’m staying positive. Don’t kill my vibe.

 

[Glocker_Alum_2005]

3-9 then..this is a unmitigated disaster. Stop trying to pretend otherwise.

Yes, very likely. Baylor went 1-11 Rhule's first year.

 

[zjcvols]

With both.
Auburn couldn't offer 8 mil

They just paid Gus $20M UP FRONT to go away what do you mean they couldn’t offer $8M

 

[give_him 6]

Bill O'Brien in 2012 (after receiving NCAA sanctions from the Sandusky scandal):

"Today we received a very harsh penalty from the NCAA and as head coach of the Nittany Lions football program, I will do everything in my power to not only comply, but help guide the University forward to become a national leader in ethics, compliance and operational excellence. I knew when I accepted the position that there would be tough times ahead. But I am committed for the long term to Penn State and our student athletes. I was then and I remain convinced that our student athletes are the best in the country. I could not be more proud to lead this team and these courageous and humble young men into the upcoming 2012 season. Together we are committed to building a better athletic program and university".

That year he went 8-4 and was named Big 10 Coach of the Year and Paul Bear Bryant National Coach of the Year.

 

[MarcoVol]

Remember I told everyone that it was going to get worse before it got better.

The transfer stuff you saw today was purely a by product of those players not being eligible at UT moving forward due to things that will most likely come out in the investigation at some point....Nothing more.

So all these cats about to end up ineligible and unable to play college football next season then? Just being ineligible at UT doesn’t make any sense

 

[engineerVOL]

JJ Peterson grabbed the wrong bag, his had actual Big Macs.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Same logic with Stoops. If he wouldn’t entertain Auburn why would he come here?

Auburn isn’t even the best program in their state. UT is a better program than Auburn. Don’t let recent history fool you. Chris could win 8-10 games a year and have a statue when he left right now.

 

[SweetasSoda]

I’m ready to ride in a Ferrari, but it just ain’t gonna happen.

Now I have to go back and see if you were saying Pruitt would not be fired.

 

[UTwild82]

firing off the double middle freedom rockets.

I have never heard this before, but will now use this phrase on at least a weekly basis.

 

[mr.checkerboards]

They just paid Gus $20M UP FRONT to go away what do you mean they couldn’t offer $8M

That's why they cant pay 8 mil. Because they had to buy such an insane buyout. If you have a budget of 25 mil and pay a guy 20 to go away you only have 5 left

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Bruce Feldman (someone who would know) has said numerous times, dating back to Petersen's BSU days, that he does not want or appreciate a "fish bowl program." Tennessee is all access, all the time. I don't think that he would want to come here.

Stopped at Bruce Feldman.

 

[99Vol]

Chadwell has taken all 3 of the programs he's been at to literally unprecedented success...

North Greenville from 2-8 to 9-3 in 1 year

Charleston Southern was 5-6 before he got there and 10-3 in year 1 for him

Coastal was 3-9 in his first year and 11-1 and in the top 15 with college game day there in year 3

Plus his wife is HOT

When you have nothing, the “plus“ can be the Deciding factor....

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Quit trying to put Steele on us. I’m staying positive. Don’t kill my vibe.

I’ve moved on to Chadwell. He’s realistic. Hopeful they aren’t hiring Steele

 

[VFL92]

Auburn isn’t even the best program in their state. UT is a better program than Auburn. Don’t let recent history fool you. Chris could win 8-10 games a year and have a statue when he left right now.

Ask non-biased college football fans this question. Spoiler alert: you won’t like their answer.

 

[zjcvols]

Auburn isn’t even the best program in their state. UT is a better program than Auburn. Don’t let recent history fool you. Chris could win 8-10 games a year and have a statue when he left right now.

UT is not a better program than Auburn right now. They have more recently won an SEC title, national title, way better record, consistently recruited better and better NFL pedigree over the last 10 years.

 

[m1al]

Alabama and Auburn don't even try to hide it down there...everybody in the state knows what is happening at AU and UA. They weren't sloppy, they just didn't expect a Haslam hot squad waiting to take them out. They were stabbed in the back by people they should have been able to trust.

They weren't sloppy? Much of what I've seen (if true) says different.. Throw in the fact that Pruitt was an epically bad coach and evidently pissed the wrong people off. He absolutely needed to go.

We can argue all day long about how it was done, but he/they did some stupid sh!t and had he remained, it would've eventually caught up to him and quite possibly been much worse...

 

[MarcoVol]

But I am committed for the long term to Penn State and our student athletes.

My man left after 2 seasons

 

[zjcvols]

That's why they cant pay 8 mil. Because they had to buy such an insane buyout. If you have a budget of 25 mil and pay a guy 20 to go away you only have 5 left

If Auburn only has a budget of $25M they wouldn’t have fired Gus then.

The problem wasn’t money with Auburn.

 

[UTwild82]

He could $8 million reasons to give it a shot. Shoot, I’m sure we will pay for any anxiety or stress treatment that he wants. If you are throwing that kind of money and want a proven winner and guy who runs a program right. He is the perfect fit. If we are throwing that kind of money around, he should be target number one.

He's a great coach and I'd love to have him, but I don't think money sways that guy. He turned down USC while still at Boise St.

 

[VolsnCards5]

By request, an attempt to change the mojo.

Didn’t work

 

[MoCo_Vol]

O’Brien also already talked with Simpson...for Bama or us?

I think of the NFL names he’s my favorite, maybe he got his fill with Texans and wants to stay in college and build something.

He also took Penn State job after the single worse incident in college football, so he wouldn’t be scared of our situation one damn bit.

 

[Skizer41]

I don’t know why but Gray post sounds like one that didn’t have a choice but to look for options elsewhere.

Probably because he's hanging his head in the photo he decided to use. That's how I take it anyway.

 

[BigSteve09]

Just a friendly reminder that the green text below is what got us all started on this $8M/yr number that we've been throwing around like it's fact. Which is what got us to Stoops and Petersen.

Too good not to share - from Stoerner Fumbles:

A couple of quick updates from inadmissible hearsay from a very unreliable source who speaks very little English and wishes he never met me: Search firm is moving in overdrive. My friend says they are doing background checks and character interviews on AD candidates already. While it seems to be the journalists’ opinion that an AD won’t be hired until mid February, my friend says he can’t see it going more than a week. He says that there is the most organized group behind how to hire that there has been on any search. There is also the most money prepared to hire someone. He guessed that there is over 40mm to hire a coach on a five plus year contract. He said that the university has the be careful in how they handle the hire. It needs to be perceived as a thoughtful response to the past infractions, or it won’t play well with the NCAA or SEC. Right now, we’re in hot water with both. On Pruitt, my friend said there is a real sadness for the damage done. Some of those fired in compliance were kids following orders. Many of them were told what to say, and then fired for saying it. Players and signees were assured by Pruitt and Fulmer that things would be ok, and he would not be fired. Phil resigned as much for that as he did for Pruitt’s failure. For all Phil’s mistakes, I think he may regret the last few weeks of fighting for Pruitt the most. People who know him say he’s crushed and in a daze. To be clear, Pruitt’s failure was epic, and began on day one. In the early days Pruitt treated AD staff, compliance and even professors like they served the team. Prior to Plowman, more than one person elevated concerns that Pruitt and Nieds practices were too egregious and would be caught. Those concerns were ignored. Many were rooting for him to fail, and many expected it. Pruitt’s style is to use his allegiance of players, and threats to micromanage others. Many of our on the field failures were him making a point. Friend pushed back on cross-training all linemen like high schoolers, and Pruitt tripled cross-training them. Look at West Virginia game for results. This year, Chaney designed three core plays for Shrout without discussing with Pruitt. He used them in a scrimmage, and blew away the D. While it’s a common thing for OC and DC to try things in a scrimmage, Pruitt threw a public fit, and said we’d never see those plays in a game. Pruitt changed starting DL lineup before KY game, and humiliated Brumbaugh in front of team and fired him. Look at the score for the results. This is the kind of thing he was willing to do just to make a point. In the conference people perceive that Nieds and Pruitt created an “arms race” on player payment. (More hearsay) Big signees families typically were given a standard payment in many tens of thousands. There are even instances of players receiving money and signing elsewhere. It will be interesting to see how much of this the NCAA wants to face. UT is on the record after the investigation. Many other coaches know who else plays dirty. The money and power will not want a light shined or Georgia or Bama. Given that Georgia is where some paid players landed, it will be harder for them to hide. The NCAA will be very cautious in how they handle us given the possibility of opening more wounds by digging too deep. That said, our list of level one and two violations is a long one. As for current coaches, they aren’t being given much communication or support for understanding what’s next. Frankly they don’t even know who to listen to. Steele is the key communication point for players. He’s doing a good job. Pruitt spoke highly of him in his message to players. They see Steele as trustworthy. Look for the university to hire an AD quickly, and to make a big offer to a coach with a good reputation and long track record. If you can imagine a candidate selling glitter-coated bibles at a strip club, he probably isn’t getting hired. We probably won’t be hiring Joey Freshwater, Jamey Jet Ski or Reverend Blindside. I’m not judging the quality of those guys as coaches, but no one expects the Chancellor to ride with the devil on this one. Consensus seems to be they are going to pay serious money for a very experienced candidate who will sign a long term deal. Some of the names being discussed are very impressive. I have no idea how realistic they are. If they succeed with that tier, we’ll all be very happy. If they move down a level, expect stability over glitz. Strange times on the hill.

 

[drylo]

They just paid Gus $20M UP FRONT to go away what do you mean they couldn’t offer $8M

I think you answered your own question.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

Ask non-biased college football fans this question. Spoiler alert: you won’t like their answer.

You could ask plenty of college football analysts who know history and what our program has to offer, they would say UT. Shoot, ask Urban which is a better program.