Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

Status
Not open for further replies.
#189,301
#189,301
BeecherVol said:
Im on board with playing 2 Saturday.

I don't know where Maurer stands, but I would give JT and Bailey the entire game.

Get Fulmer and "watch the film" and make a plan based on that going into the bye week.
Click to expand...

ADs shouldn’t be involved in such decisions. If Fulmer is we have major problems
 
  • Like
Reactions: volsagain
#189,305
#189,305
Ulysees E. McGill said:
You know what a bad loss is? When you give up 5+ legitimate TDs and 600 yards of offense. The picks and otherwise shoddy play from the QB position alone made that score look magnitudes of order worse than it really was. It would have been a close game, probably even a win with a solid QB...I refuse to go off the deep end on Pruitt when ONE FREAKING POSITION is the difference between winning and losing.

But hey you guys go ahead and keep acting like the defense is still 120th in the country.
Click to expand...
That's a bad loss to a good team. I think you're confusing that with a bad loss being losing to a team you shouldn't be losing to. We shouldn't lose to KY in Neyland Stadium. The fact it's been 36 years since it happened is testament of that. That's what makes it a bad loss.
 
  • Like
Reactions: HeadVol77 and OrangenSC
#189,307
#189,307
Ulysees E. McGill said:
You know what a bad loss is? When you give up 5+ legitimate TDs and 600 yards of offense. The picks and otherwise shoddy play from the QB position alone made that score look magnitudes of order worse than it really was. It would have been a close game, probably even a win with a solid QB...I refuse to go off the deep end on Pruitt when ONE FREAKING POSITION is the difference between winning and losing.

But hey you guys go ahead and keep acting like the defense is still 120th in the country.
Click to expand...
not sure why you're lumping me in with some others, the crux of this post has nothing to do with what i said in response to you.

34-7 at home against a team you haven't lost to at home in nearly 40 years, by a margin that hasn't been reached in 90ish years.......................................


.................is a bad loss, by any definition or by any means...............................

i bet UK fans aren't discriminatory in their jubliation....like some DA on catspause is over there saying "yeah, well, i'm not impressed because to be a real W, the offense needs to do the most scoring"

"if you take away all the really good plays we made on defense, we don't win that game, so i don't know why y'all are so excited..."



lol. i'm not calling for pruitt's head or anything. but....yeah...that was not a resume builder at UTK.....for sure.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Ridgerunner Vol
#189,309
#189,309
Ace said:
Has anyone else noticed that JG lines up closer to LOS this year as opposed to previous years? I did not notice with Shrout and Bailey. JG looks like he is closer to center than most QBs in the shotgun
Click to expand...
Isn't that what is called the pistol? Supposed to let the RB hit the hole quicker.
 
#189,311
#189,311
BeecherVol said:
Im on board with playing 2 Saturday.

I don't know where Maurer stands, but I would give JT and Bailey the entire game.

Get Fulmer and "watch the film" and make a plan based on that going into the bye week.
Click to expand...
i think the only QB i trust less than JG is JT...lol. that dude can look like Dan Marino one second, then look like Mark Sanchez the next. inexplicable decision making by that kid.

the unknown is maurer. Bailey is too, but i worry less about that because he's a true freshman and has not gotten a lot of reps period. so while he's an unknown, at least i know why....

if it's me, i do kinda lean toward the idea that starting against bama isn't exactly ideal for anyone's first real game, much less start.

so if you want to start JG and just rotate QB's, regardless, i think i'd be ok with that. we did it way back when with several different QB combos, but most notably with Brandon STewart and Peyton Manning. there were a set # of plays each would take, the series were pre determined, and it didn't really matter what you did, good or bad; when your time was up, the next guy went in.

Spurrier obviously famously did it with several different combos, with varying degrees of success, but i'd say on the whole, it worked pretty well....

at this point, play all 4...hell, give them all a quarter....i don't think it's gonna matter, but we need to have some idea of what we're gonna do next at the position, for sure....and doing the same thing we've done isn't working.
 
  • Like
Reactions: OrangenSC
#189,313
#189,313
Blake25p said:
The only reasoning I can see starting JG over HB is that it’s not ideal to have your first career start against Alabama and with a bye week coming up. I can see why you would start JG then have HB come in the 2nd half to get his feet wet then give him two weeks of practice to get ready for Arkansas.
Click to expand...


But let's be real. If you don't start HB because you don't feel like he's up to task vs Bama, then is he really the guy? Bamas D ain't exactly what it used to be. He's got natural talent. If you keep the playbook simple, I think he can make plays vs Bama. Might as well start him. If he gets his confidence shattered because of one game, then he's just another JG. Just being blunt here. We need a kid that can take lumps and not let it ruin his mindset.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Big Orange#1, HeadVol77, VOLSONLY and 3 others
#189,315
#189,315
C-town Vol said:
Shrout was a flier Pruitt took in his pieces together first class. A kid who has impressed at a camp with a big arm, but had a lackluster high school track record. It’s not Shrout’s fault, but he was always a long shot.
Click to expand...
Shrout got his props from some football guru who said he had all the intangibles to make it to the NFL. This came from a camp that Shrout attended and had a really big showing. I guess arm strength is a major key for the NFL.
 
  • Like
Reactions: C-town Vol and VOLSONLY
#189,316
#189,316
BruinVol said:
No it wasn’t the team didn’t quit on their Qb In 2019
Click to expand...
Say what you want. The team didn’t like him then just like they don’t like him now. The only thing any of his teammates ever say about him is ra ra teammate talk. Everyone knows they don’t like him but ain’t going to throw him under the bus.

Accept it or not..
 
  • Like
Reactions: Big Orange#1, Scvol7906, TurnoverTrashCan and 3 others
#189,317
#189,317
BeecherVol said:
Which begs the question.

Why can the staff try and sell the players on a remerging JG (ala last year) if they don't believe it themselves?
Click to expand...

They weren’t prepared for it. They didn’t have a plan for what to do and it showed.

Now that the game is over they can regroup and say we have done this before and it’s going to work again to their team. Doesn’t really matter if they believe it will work or not.
Mind tricks to get a locker room to buy in and since it worked before it’s easier to sell them on it imo
 
#189,318
#189,318
UTK said:
But let's be real. If you don't start HB because you don't feel like he's up to task vs Bama, then is he really the guy? Bamas D ain't exactly what it used to be. He's got natural talent. If you keep the playbook simple, I think he can make plays vs Bama. Might as well start him. If he gets his confidence shattered because of one game, then he's just another JG. Just bring blunt here. We need a kid that can take lumps and not let it ruin his mindset.
Click to expand...
i like a lot of your posts....but that may be the most unfair take i've ever seen about a true freshman QB at TN, or even the SEC. lol....

if it were Vandy or some OOC cup cake...maybe you get away with that.

but freaking bama? lol..............
 
  • Like
Reactions: HoleInTheRoof, OrangenSC, Rishvol and 1 other person
#189,319
#189,319
SLICKYINC said:
Say what you want. The team didn’t like him then just like they don’t like him now. The only thing any of his teammates ever say about him is ra ra teammate talk. Everyone knows they don’t like him but ain’t going to throw him under the bus.

Accept it or not..
Click to expand...

8-0
the team didn’t quit last year
 
  • Like
Reactions: OrangenSC
#189,320
#189,320
jakez4ut said:
i think the only QB i trust less than JG is JT...lol. that dude can look like Dan Marino one second, then look like Mark Sanchez the next. inexplicable decision making by that kid.

the unknown is maurer. Bailey is too, but i worry less about that because he's a true freshman and has not gotten a lot of reps period. so while he's an unknown, at least i know why....

if it's me, i do kinda lean toward the idea that starting against bama isn't exactly ideal for anyone's first real game, much less start.

so if you want to start JG and just rotate QB's, regardless, i think i'd be ok with that. we did it way back when with several different QB combos, but most notably with Brandon STewart and Peyton Manning. there were a set # of plays each would take, the series were pre determined, and it didn't really matter what you did, good or bad; when your time was up, the next guy went in.

Spurrier obviously famously did it with several different combos, with varying degrees of success, but i'd say on the whole, it worked pretty well....

at this point, play all 4...hell, give them all a quarter....i don't think it's gonna matter, but we need to have some idea of what we're gonna do next at the position, for sure....and doing the same thing we've done isn't working.
Click to expand...
Shrout didn't help himself Saturday, but I doubt going into the week he expected to be on the field after JG threw 2 pick 6s and your down 14 either. Im sure he felt the urgency like everybody did at the time. He made a mistake. Im good with giving him a week to know he's playing and preparing for such. If he can't handle that you move.

Im generally not a fan of playing 2 from the sense we re going to do it for awhile. But in this case its a game by game deal. Im just ready to see the effort and time put into someone else. The offseason didn't allow it.
As you said at the end, what we been doin aint workin.
 
  • Like
Reactions: volfan4lyfe
#189,321
#189,321
Batman1948 said:
Shrout got his props from some football guru who said he had all the intangibles to make it to the NFL. This came from a camp that Shrout attended and had a really big showing. I guess arm strength is a major key for the NFL.
Click to expand...
yes, we all remember the article with the quotes you're referring to.

we still knew he wa a project at the college level, in the SEC.
 
#189,325
#189,325
Weezer said:
Just looking at this team and being honest about what needs to fixed, if we can do that without being attacked as "negative" or accused of "screaming for Pruitt's head", these are the things I see that coaches need to work on.

QB - Weinke needs to be spending his time with Shrout, Maurer, and Bailey. One of those 3 has to step up and supplant JG. Whatever is preventing them from being "ready" needs to be addressed, because JG is not the answer.

OL - Friend needs to be working with our OTs on pass blocking. We're fine on run blocking, but our Tackles struggle with getting beat when pass blocking. He needs to work with the entire line on discipline and remaining locked. This line is experienced enough we shouldn't be seeing so many false starts. Everyone needs to be clear on assignments.

RB - You can't fix size, but you can emphasize keep your momentum. Enough with the stutter steps and the pauses. Keep yourself north and south. Try to hit your tackler harder than he's hitting you. They need to be more physical IMO, and they need to learn to pass block. Not only that, they need to work on knowing when to release and become an outlet. I wish we had a big bruiser to add to the mix, but without moving Banks or Crouch, we don't. Unless Hodges can play that role, or Whitehead, but I don't recall having seen either play. Graham needs to teach these guys how to play like he did.

WR - Route running is always top of the list IMO, but blocking and separation are definitely near the top. Precise routes will help with separation. I still contend part of the problem is not having a good QB. Tee needs to get those young speedsters ready so we van have some legit deep threats that can run past defenders.

TE - I'm not sure what Osovet is supposed to do with the personnel he has, but maybe he can work a miracle. TE is a big recruiting need so hopefully one of these guys committed to us is the real deal. Not sure if this can be fixed with who we currently have on roster.

DL - It'll be interesting to see if Pruitt can get a push from these guys. I still contend the biggest weakness on defense is the lack of a pass rush. Between Pruitt and Feldon, they have to find that DE/OLB that can consistently get to the QB. I've seen a few misalign our DL, but this line had two goal line stops against UGA. They also had a 4th down stop in that first half. They're good against the run, they struggle getting to the QB with a pass rush. Really not so dissimilar from our OL.

OLB - Priority to me is pass rush. Already said it. Have to work on shedding blocks, need to be better in short coverages, need to do better tackling. Tackling applies to the whole defense.

ILB - Toot is great, but we need to get the whole Banks/Crouch thing figured out. Both are very raw.

DB - IMO, this has been the most disappointing unit on defense. Two elite coaches of the position, but subpar play. I think the biggest thing to fix is keeping their heads in the game. More often than not, the mistakes seem to be boneheaded lapses in judgement. They need to do better at recognizing routes and getting jumps. Reading the QB is key. And again, tackling.


The entire team needs better discipline. The kick to the groin in the KY game reaffirmed my belief in that. Crap like that shouldn't even be a thought that crosses our players' minds.

I guess I just really expected we'd be farther along than we are. So many things I thought would be fixed by now just aren't, and that's frustrating as hell as a fan. And some aspects actually seem like they've regressed. Not sure if it's because of Covid, or coaching choices, but the energy this year is not what I expected it would be. Seems like other teams were able to get around it, but not us. Again, frustrating. We've languished in mediocrity for over a decade. As a fan, I want more. Sorry if that angers some, but I feel like we've missed out on some opportunities, and some of that is on coaching. Saying that doesn't mean I want Pruitt fired. I want him to do better. Not sure what's wrong with wanting a high paid coach to do better.
Click to expand...
I agree with all of this.

I’ve read a few places that Maurer has lost a lot of practice time because of injuries and Covid. Bailey has had little practice time also, in part because he just hasn’t been here long. That has hampered them from getting ready as backups. Don’t know what Shrout’s problem is.

Unfortunately, some fans are already calling for CJP to be fired. But that’s just the way some fans are. They can’t have criticism without it leading to the extreme of firing people.
 
New posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Advertisement



Back
Top