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Some of the dumbest statements in human history been made in here lately. Please bring back football and sports.

While we wait, any of you that want to step out of the shadows and tell how meth, crack, ecstasy and such have helped you become a positive influence on your families and society in general - now's your chance.
 
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Devo182 said:
2 days ago you were confused, remember? You started by talking about evolution and ended up talking about atheists vs theists and objective ethics.

You're going in circles again. Let's just focus on one thing and not shift subjects:

"Darwinism does not care about human life. Humans have no value at all. We're just bags of protoplasm banging around with no intrinsic value. So it doesn't surprise me that those who hold to that worldview think that everything should be legalized, including life destroying drugs. Of course, as I said yesterday, you can't live consistently within that worldview."

Sounds to me like people that believe in evolution cannot value human life.

Did I misinterpret? If so, here's your chance to correct me.
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I’m talking to atheists/agnostics. Context is your friend
 
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Vols4us said:
Some of the dumbest statements in human history been made in here lately. Please bring back football and sports.

While we wait, any of you that want to step out of the shadows and tell how meth, crack, ecstasy and such have helped you become a positive influence on your families and society in general - now's your chance.
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Ummm....uhhhh...yeah, I'll let someone else go first.
 
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Vols4us said:
Some of the dumbest statements in human history been made in here lately. Please bring back football and sports.

While we wait, any of you that want to step out of the shadows and tell how meth, crack, ecstasy and such have helped you become a positive influence on your families and society in general - now's your chance.
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MDMA, ecstasy, is showing potential to help soldiers and others with PTSD.
Phase 3 Program: MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD - MAPS
 
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GoBigOrange86 said:
Because our government was instituted to secure the liberties of its people. Failing that, there's no reason for a government to exist at all and we're tiptoeing into anarcho-capitalist territory.
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Okay? You didn’t answer the question. It was said we can’t legislate morality. That goes further than drugs. Why should we legislate anything at all then?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
Okay? You didn’t answer the question. It was said we can’t legislate morality. That goes further than drugs. Why should we legislate anything at all then?
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I can't speak for Ron, but to me, "legislating morality" is an attempt to change the private behavior of individuals. That, I believe, is mostly unjustified. The ideal of our government is to permit individuals to pursue their own course. That means you have to legislate violations of the ability to pursue that course or the government is purposeless and arbitrary.

The problem with legislating morality is it is inevitably going to lead to questions about whose morality and on what basis? Where does this conception of moral come from? Why do we legislate against drug use but not against drinking or adultery? Who determines where that line is to be drawn and how do we avoid it being drawn in an arbitrary way?

FWIW, I don't think I would outright legalize the harder drugs, but I would decriminalize possession significantly because our laws are clear failures that keep people in the grip of these drugs trapped.
 
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itsme said:
MDMA, ecstasy, is showing potential to help soldiers and others with PTSD.
Phase 3 Program: MDMA-Assisted Psychotherapy for PTSD - MAPS
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There have been several studies on treating depression recently with shrooms, LSD, and ketamine.There's a lot of info on this, as well as treating PTSD and coping with end-of-life at https://reset.me/ and https://beckleyfoundation.org. Dr. Rick Strassman has theorized that DMT is released from the pineal gland at birth and death as a means to help us transition to our new worlds. He also presents some evidence that the pineal gland develops 49 days after conception, which lines up with the time one spends between death and reincarnation in the Tibetan Book of the Dead.
There's a ketamine clinic in Charlotte that administers some inhaled version that was recently approved by the FDA for treatment-resistent depression. In some cases people who had tried multiple anti-depressants over multiple months with no improvement saw improvement after a single dose of ketamine and the effects often last up to 6 months.
I recall in the book "Realms of the Human Unconscious", Dr. Stanislav Grof, the last person allowed to continue to conduct research in this area, discussed a patient he had worked with for something like 15 years and had never been able to break through to his inner issues. In one therapy session using LSD he was finally able to get to a point that he could not in all those prior years.
The sad thing about this is a lot of that research was going on in the 60s before sleazebag Nixon made is all illegal. But it was okay for the US government of use it to destroy innocent people's minds during MKUltra but using them without their knowledge and pushing them over the edge. How many people have committed suicide since that time that might have been helped had they had access to these substances?
 
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Bassmaster_Vol said:
I’m talking to atheists/agnostics. Context is your friend
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Ok, so not the majority that believe in evolution.

I can't have context when you are talking about a completely different group. Or you just believe all evolutionists are atheists, in case you may need to get outside of your bubble. A majority in the U.S. believe in evolution. Atheists are a few percent.
 
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