Geaux_Vols
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People tend to forget about the whole "independent states" concept simply because all they've ever known is a federal government that holds more power than it should. I think(hope) we al would agree that slavery was wrong, but slavery wasn't the only motivation. It wasn't even the primary motivation though history has been rewritten to promote it as such. States' rights and how federal government tried to limit them was huge. The purpose was never to shed the shackles of the monarchy to simply don another set that left states beholden to a federal government. At least not IMO.That is a whole new discussion. "They" as you say, IMO, for the most part did not fight to keep slavery. They fought for states rights. It was about 80 years removed from our country actually gaining independence. That independence was started because 13 "states" wanted to be independent of English monarchy. They chose to fight together for that independence. The original premise was for the independent states to be under one governance to make sure that happened.
Agree. I think one of Lee's greatest mistake at Gettysburg was to not trust Longstreet enough. Longstreet was a great general in his own right. He wasn't quite as good as Jackson IMO, but was still a great general. Lee just didn't feel the same way about Longstreet as he did Jackson. Through the years have come to believe it may have been for religious reasons.
Amen.People tend to forget about the whole "independent states" concept simply because all they've ever known is a federal government that holds more power than it should. I think(hope) we al would agree that slavery was wrong, but slavery wasn't the only motivation. It wasn't even the primary motivation though history has been rewritten to promote it as such. States' rights and how federal government tried to limit them was huge. The purpose was never to shed the shackles of the monarchy to simply don another set that left states beholden to a federal government. At least not IMO.
This country was founded on a whole lot different concepts than what most people care to remember...or are taught.People tend to forget about the whole "independent states" concept simply because all they've ever known is a federal government that holds more power than it should. I think(hope) we al would agree that slavery was wrong, but slavery wasn't the only motivation. It wasn't even the primary motivation though history has been rewritten to promote it as such. States' rights and how federal government tried to limit them was huge. The purpose was never to shed the shackles of the monarchy to simply don another set that left states beholden to a federal government. At least not IMO.
Sadly, the further we get from the founding of our nation, the more people who are content to be sheep. They're okay with government making decisions our FFs fought to make for themselves. That's not to say we don't need government, but government is supposed to work for citizens and not the other way around.This country was founded on a whole lot different concepts than what most people care to remember...or are taught.
The articles of confederation are a lot closer to what we should have as a nation. The federal government learned way back that centralization leads to more money, more power and more bureaucracy for those that run it. It's a monster that is never full.This country was founded on a whole lot different concepts than what most people care to remember...or are taught.
I'm sorry, we can continue that discussion because it is interesting to me as well. But after reading and reminiscing about those great men and seeing many of the great landmarks that are gone firsthand, I can't help but feel sad in a way. And heck, Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. Do we need to remove the Jefferson Memorial? Okay. I'll get off my soapbox.I can’t believe we were able to discuss a historical event like adults for that long before someone had to make it about statues. Disappointing. I was enjoying that.
I love you Newt.The articles of confederation are a lot closer to what we should have as a nation. The federal government learned way back that centralization leads to more money, more power and more bureaucracy for those that run it. It's a monster that is never full.
And btw gay isn't PC anymore ya geezer, it's heterosexually challenged.
How about vagina adverse? Does that work?The articles of confederation are a lot closer to what we should have as a nation. The federal government learned way back that centralization leads to more money, more power and more bureaucracy for those that run it. It's a monster that is never full.
And btw gay isn't PC anymore ya geezer, it's heterosexually challenged.
That is a whole new discussion. "They" as you say, IMO, for the most part did not fight to keep slavery. They fought for states rights. It was about 80 years removed from our country actually gaining independence. That independence was started because 13 "states" wanted to be independent of English monarchy. They chose to fight together for that independence. The original premise was for the independent states to be under one governance to make sure that happened.
I am a freaking criminal defense attorney, and I have no outrage about personal liberties right now. To me, it’s nonsense. But thank goodness people can have their own opinion. People are just pissed because they have to show some discipline.