Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

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Well, that's true too.

But, we're talkin' the Vols under Peyton and after. Doesn't fit that extreme mold.

 

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SEC football in general was 3 plays and a cloud of dust lol that was just how it was played.its crazy to see how a sport evolves just like basketball.

But, again, we're talking the Peyton Vols. They weren't of that mold. They could pound the rock and throw.

Not like the 80 bullpups, to take a revolting example, when Herschel got 35 carries a game.

 

[BeecherVol]

Fulmer won at least 8 games a year from 2000 - 2007 for seven of those years. I would kill for that right now. He had a contender in 2007 when we played for the SEC title against the eventual NC LSU team which was a close game. Just because Bama hires the GOAT and Urban was hired at UF (top five all time coach) doesn’t mean the game passed Fulmer. It means our rivals made generational hires. In the current crop of crap that is the SEC East except for a couple of teams, I’m pretty sure Fulmer would be one of the better coaches right now. I feel like people forget we have been complete trash and for some reason one of our best coaches couldn’t coach. I think Mac is showing that you can learn from taking a step back and maybe losing a little fire to come back even better for a short run. If we go 2-10, I don’t see how Fulmer wouldn’t get us to at least a bowl game next year. I don’t believe all of this conspiracy nonsense anyway so I don’t think we have to worry about what ifs.

UT needed UF to falter with the Bama blowout.

Fulmers best teams and talent were from 95 - 01. That happen to coincide with GA and Bama being down and SC not being any good until much later with Spurrier. Recruiting got more difficult in the mid 2000s for UT because they were no longer top 5 good every year and those schools started recruiting better.

He had good teams here and there after that but was never close to that run in talent or record. I'm not taking anything away from his career. He had a good one. The best of it typically was tied to Cut and Chavis and when one of those pieces left it was noticeable.

UTs admin making bad decisions post Fulmer doesnt make him a better coach at the time he got fired.

 

[Aesius]

I was a little too young in my fandom to understand what was going on at this time, but after a little digging, I completely understand why we are cursed.. Our administration really was retarded,

My only thing is, UGA did Mark Richt basically the same way? Why are they not suffering?


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Man that record looks insanely good now. Fulmer went from being capable of 11 win seasons fairly often to capping out at 10 wins, but also having a new floor of 5 wins. And that 2008 5-win season is most likely 6-6 because we beat Wyoming if he hadn't already been fired.

In hindsight looking at that record and knowing we fired the guy is just dumb. The chances of doing better than 152-52 over a 17 season stretch was nil.

Edit: As dumb as the move was, it had to happen. The fanbase would never have been happy keeping him here. We can only see truly how dumb it was in hindsight.

 

[B EaZy40]

Firing Fulmer was without a question the biggest mistake of Hamilton's tenure as AD.

2007 Fulmer is given an extension.

2008 ya fire him? Lost at UCLA by 3 in OT, at Auburn by 2, at Georgia by 12, at USC by 21, and then Wyoming by 6 THE WEEK AFTER BEING FIRED ON NOVEMBER 2ND (it was over a decade ago, you correction eager douchenozzles)

Had also lost Cutcliffe, Matt Luke, Kurt Roper & Trooper Taylor before the start of 2008. So it wasn't just that Fulmer had a new OC coach, he had an entirely new offensive staff. An absolutely awful season offensively, 17.3 PPG with a defense that was only giving up 16.8 a game.

The Wyoming loss was one of the worst days ever for me. On top of the loss, I was arrested for public intoxication at Buffalo Wild Wings shortly after the game. I sat handcuffed in a patrol car parked besides Hannah’s on the strip for probably 5 hours since it was so early and the paddy wagon wasn’t quite out yet for pickup. Lulz What a time!!

 

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he hired a bad OC. He had one of the best defenses in the country his last year
With many of the same returning the next year including Eric Berry and dan Williams.
He also would’ve had tahj boyd playing QB. I think we would’ve been fine.

Something to that. But it didn't look like it at the time. And who knows what Boyd what have been in that dink and dank, rink and dink offense?

 

[JacketVol]

i think Kirby will take any opportunity he can to show how much better he is than pruitt.....i think he resents some of the players from his first year having a high opinion of pruitt, and that pruitt still gets credit for some of the facility upgrades that UGA got after he left.....
word is also that some of the OV's for this weekend are going at the instruciton of Kirby....kinda like he did wiht some of the prospects that went down to UF, and then committed to UGA immediately after. i think there might be some of that going on this weekend.

total rub your nose in it opportunity, and kirby has already shown he's got no problem doing it...worse than that, he currently has the ability to do it........

What if Pruitt pops Kirbs right in the nose and knocks him out. I’m gonna knock you out. Mama said to knock you out.

 

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[jakez4ut]

What if Pruitt pops Kirbs right in the nose and knocks him out. I’m gonna knock you out. Mama said to knock you out.

lol.

 

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[letsgoUT29]

meyer was owning everybody and continued to do so at Ohio state. He’s a top 5 coach of all time. It’s ok to lose to them lol

No doubt. I’m referring to the fact that Kiffin went to the wire with him and Saban. Hiring Kiffin was not the mistake, the mistake was hiring Dooley over Cutcliffe.

 

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To play devils advocate on ham...even Kiffin didn’t think he would get the USC job when it came open lol.

you are correct.

Sure is. But that doesn't refute my point that Kiffter was honest and Hammy was to blame but managed to act as "shocked, shocked I tell you" as the dude in Casablanca.

 

[nicksjuzunk]

Georgia is going to split our stadium. Lots of people selling. Can’t blame them.

Embrace the suck. Our rise will be that more satisfying

The one I got from the Vol Shop is comfortable. If your shirt is itchy, or looks like Z06's shirt, you got a knock-off. Also, your money didn't go to a good cause if you didn't order from the Vol Shop

I’m also going to assume you hate Mr Rogers and kick puppies while wearing baby seal boots

 

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Him being really successful that early was aided by that no doubt. He has recruited even better than Richt and he recruited well. Now can he deal with the pressure if he can't clear that last hurdle. Bama and Clemson are not sliding back anytime soon.

From your lips the the god's ears! May he keep losing the big ones!

 

[Batman1948]

Coaches are weird. Smart is wearing a sweatshirt over a collared shirt, and it's 94 in Athens today. Pruitt is wearing long sleeves, too. I said a couple of weeks ago that my wife started noticing coaches wearing long sleeves on the sidelines in places where it's 80+ degrees. One NFL assistant was wearing a sweatsuit.

Maybe they have a healthy respect for skin cancer.

 

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Disagree. As I pointed out he had 4 new offensive personnel on staff for 2008. At the end of that season you would have likely seen changes made to correct the issue. 2007 we were in the SEC Title game. Had he not been fired we likely go 6-6 and make a bowl (probably win that too), so 2009 wouldn't have been as rough as it ended up being.

I'm sounding like I'm about to out-Eeyore Eeyore, but CPF’s bowl record after 2001:
2002 Lost Peach
2003 Lost Peach
2004 Won Cotton
2005 Sat home
2006 Lost Outback
2007 Won Outback
2008 Sat home

If CJP could (for the sake of the argument) do that starting next year, I bet VN would be calling for someone to take us to the next level.

Note: the 2005 Cotton Bowl rocked!

 

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How many times did he win the SEC in 17 seasons?
My last remark on the subject

 

[JohnnyD1024]

SMU rises from dead, finally ranked after penalty

 

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Edit: As dumb as the move was, it had to happen. The fanbase would never have been happy keeping him here. We can only see truly how dumb it was in hindsight.

It wasn't dumb "in all possible worlds," so to speak. It was dumb given the series of bad moves and bad breaks that followed and may have presupposed the firing, but by no means Necessarily HAD to follow the firing. You have to separate those.

 

[HankHill]

UT needed UF to falter with the Bama blowout.

Fulmers best teams and talent were from 95 - 01. That happen to coincide with GA and Bama being down and SC not being any good until much later with Spurrier. Recruiting got more difficult in the mid 2000s for UT because they were no longer top 5 good every year and those schools started recruiting better.

He had good teams here and there after that but was never close to that run in talent or record. I'm not taking anything away from his career. He had a good one. The best of it typically was tied to Cut and Chavis and when one of those pieces left it was noticeable.

UTs admin making bad decisions post Fulmer doesnt make him a better coach at the time he got fired.

The state of Tennessee is better talent wise than it ever has been though. If Fulmer or any coach could truly lock down the state similar to what LSU does, then it wouldn't matter.

 

[Kingston Vol]

The state of Tennessee is better talent wise than it ever has been though. If Fulmer or any coach could truly lock down the state similar to what LSU does, then it wouldn't matter.

Feel like Quarles on staff could get a lot of in state guys. Surprised Vandy or Memphis (or UT) haven’t put that together yet.

 

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No doubt. I’m referring to the fact that Kiffin went to the wire with him and Saban. Hiring Kiffin was not the mistake, the mistake was hiring Dooley over Cutcliffe.

Question: Another thing I've always wondered and never had anyone to ask. What about hiring (a) goody two-shoes, who happens to be (b) Vince Dooley's son. Was that part of a deal our AD cut to call the dogs off per the Kiffter's "alleged" rule violations?

 

[nicksjuzunk]

It took a perfect storm for the job to open and it get all the way down to him.

It almost had the feel of "oh well, you were here when we got in trouble, let's see if you can redeem yourself. If not we ll get the pleasure of firing you".

Of course all that happened after they went through the top choices without a yes.

We laughed and laughed as everyone said “no” till the ball rolled into our court and then it was

 

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I love CPF, don't get me wrong. And especially, in addition to the national championship, that he beotchslapped bammer over and over and over again. No one can take that away from him.

 

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It took a perfect storm for the job to open and it get all the way down to him.

It almost had the feel of "oh well, you were here when we got in trouble, let's see if you can redeem yourself. If not we ll get the pleasure of firing you".

Of course all that happened after they went through the top choices without a yes.

Was that because all the violations from the Reggie Bush era were about to come down and Kiffin ditnt know how bad it was going to be. But everybody else did? Or why?