Recruiting Forum Football Talk II

[BeecherVol]

One of the best win percentages and all-time win/loss records not just in UT history, but all of college football. Wasn't going to "get it back to good" after a single season of 5-7 where he had to replace his entire offensive staff?

I do disagree, and there's nothing "fact" about your opinion of whether or not Fulmer could bounce back the following season.

2006 when they went 9-4 he lost to Florida by a single point, LSU by 4 and @ Arkansas by 17. Wasn't exactly "losing" his touch.

Shoot if 2007 when we played for the SEC title and won 10 games isn't good enough then you're never going to be satisfied.

He had a very good career no doubt. He won a lot of football games.

Bama and UF went out and hired 2 coaches that have won 8 NCs since 2006. Both of those coaches hammered UT in 07' (Saban did it with a 6-6 team that lost to Monroe).

As I said, Fulmer had a really good run. Most of it came up through 2001. That was the last legit contender he had.

The league got a lot better in the mid 2000's and UT wasn't keeping up. The records don't lie.

 

[UTSuave’]

People were tired of the grind it out pro-style football we were running. They wanted the flashy offenses that Florida had under Spurrier and Meyer and Fulmer made the mistake of getting too far away from his bread and butter in an effort to show he could change. He should've made a smaller course correction but one still in that direction and let the fans complain about it but that's easy to see in hindsight, especially now that defenses are speedier and more capable of dealing with high octane offenses. Back then, DCs were still trying to figure out how to slow those offenses down.

I also think Clawson takes too damn long to implement his system. Even if things had been perfect when he was hired it would've taken him years to really run it well. I think he's a good mind but only a so-so teacher and that his players don't always understand what he's attempting to transmit to them.

Yes!..I remember.the 3 plays and a cloud of dust was starting to become a thing of the past,but that was “SEC” football.Les and Steve along with Fulmer are prime examples of the game passing them up.i don’t know much about Clawson because he was only here 1 one year and I haven’t watched him since but the dude was straight lost here when he coached.

 

[BeecherVol]

This is why it was much easier for bowl cut to go in there and win right away.

Him being really successful that early was aided by that no doubt. He has recruited even better than Richt and he recruited well. Now can he deal with the pressure if he can't clear that last hurdle. Bama and Clemson are not sliding back anytime soon.

 

[Pane di mais]

Just got off work. I'm here to preach the truth. Pruitt ain't the guy, again

John Adams left another new column in Produce, didn't he? I can tell by your mood.

 

[UTProf]

Yes, but Kiffin said upfront that is what he was going to do. I think @UTProf is right that that was all on Hammy. If the fan base had known Hammy was hiring someone who thought USC was a better (or at least preferred for whatever personal reasons) job than Tennessee, and that he had honestly said in advance that he would leave in that and only that case, the sofa would have been burning that day!

Hammy and Haslam wanted rid of Fulmer. I don't think they cared about the fallout beyond that just like Haslam didn't care when he tried to force Schiano on us. Fulmer had friends and a certain amount of power that Haslam and Co didn't like sharing. Getting rid of him, consolidated the Haslam power and influence at UT and we've lived with the results. We're still living with it -- anyone who thinks that ended with getting Phil back in is under an illusion. He's only a check to their power and one they'll remove as soon as they can and under the slimmest pretext.

Honestly, we have so much BS from our behind the scenes power players that it's no surprise our actual football team is in the shape it's in. Texas has a similar problem and they fell to pieces when Brown was fired. Alabama had similar issues until desperation set in and they gave Saban amassed enough power to be able to check them when he was hired (but Bama was extremely desperate when that happened - I don't think our boosters care enough about football to be that desperate. They care about being in charge and all the politics and bs rather than sports). When blue blood programs experience an extended down period it's almost always a problem at the very top of the food chain even beyond coaches and ADs.

 

[Pane di mais]

Yes!..I remember.the 3 plays and a cloud of dust was starting to become a thing of the past,but that was “SEC” football.Les and Steve along with Fulmer are prime examples of the game passing them up.i don’t know much about Clawson because he was only here 1 one year and I haven’t watched him since but the dude was straight lost here when he coached.

DUDES! The Peyton era was three yards and a cloud of dust?

And actually, one the prime characteristics of late Fulmer ball was the absolute inability to get one yard on the ground when you needed it. Typically threw.

Fulmer threw an end-around pass in his coaching debut. Some crazy sh-t he cooked up for fun in the preceding spring game as OC, coaching against Majors. Tennessee 45, Florida 3. Beotches!

But I grant that one thing I did love about EARLY Fulmer is that he would load up the beef and ram it for a first down or TD when he wanted. Until the others guys felt crushed.

 

[Pane di mais]

The other prime characteristic of late Fulmer ball was, Never throw past the stick, even if your az- falls off. You were literally holding you breath every play. @Big Gucci Sosa would have rather been at a 90 year olds birthday party.

 

[engineerVOL]

I miss Fulmer as coach. Very much.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Coaches are weird. Smart is wearing a sweatshirt over a collared shirt, and it's 94 in Athens today. Pruitt is wearing long sleeves, too. I said a couple of weeks ago that my wife started noticing coaches wearing long sleeves on the sidelines in places where it's 80+ degrees. One NFL assistant was wearing a sweatsuit.

Been noticing this for a while....I don’t get it.

 

[UTSuave’]

DUDES! The Peyton era was three yards and a cloud of dust?

And actually, one the prime characteristics of late Fulmer ball was the absolute inability to get one yard on the ground when you needed it. Typically threw.

Fulmer threw an end-around pass in his coaching debut. Some crazy sh-t he cooked up for fun in the preceding spring game as OC, coaching against Majors. Tennessee 45, Florida 3. Beotches!

But I grant that one thing I did love about EARLY Fulmer is that he would load up the beef and ram it for a first down or TD when he wanted. Until the others guys felt crushed.

SEC football in general was 3 plays and a cloud of dust lol that was just how it was played.its crazy to see how a sport evolves just like basketball.

 

[bignewt]

What a fun discussion!

 

[SLICKYINC]

What a fun discussion!

 

[Pane di mais]

SEC football in general was 3 plays and a cloud of dust lol that was just how it was played.its crazy to see how a sport evolves just like basketball.

Well, that's true too.

 

[Pane di mais]

I'm still hoping my man Cornbread is going to get it done, even after he wet his bed on 8/31.

 

[Kingston Vol]

What a fun discussion!

Do you think Georgia is going to beat us by 5 touchdowns or will it get all the way up to 6?

 

[JohnnyD1024]

Meyer was only at Florida two more seasons after Fulmer was fired. If we would have kept Fulmer how do you think he would have done against Muschamp and McElwain?

 

[Kingston Vol]

 

[Pane di mais]

I can see how winning 10 games then fighting for bowl eligibility the next season could get frustrating over the course of a decade.

F's last four SEC records: 3-5, 5-3, 6-2, 3-5. Won an Outback, lost an Outback, no bowl game twice.

 

[BeecherVol]

To play devils advocate on ham...even Kiffin didn’t think he would get the USC job when it came open lol.

It took a perfect storm for the job to open and it get all the way down to him.

It almost had the feel of "oh well, you were here when we got in trouble, let's see if you can redeem yourself. If not we ll get the pleasure of firing you".

Of course all that happened after they went through the top choices without a yes.

 

[jakez4ut]

"industry sources" - "a source" - who are these "sources"? I think you just quoted folks speculating, trying to sound like they know something when they really don't. They're just trying to stir 'ish, imho.

i'm pretty sure Kingston Vol is the source for Rittenburg's "aritcle"...lol....

It wouldn't have taken a miracle-worker to recruit in the immediate sequel to CFP like it does now.

nope, and actually the class Fulmer had coming in kinda proved that, as did the class Kiffin did bring in.

Richt had averaged 10 wins a year the 5 years previous to Smart coming. It wasn't like they were in the ditch when he got there.

yeah, fun little fact that just doesn't get talked about enough when people wanna compare Kirby and UGA to ANYONE else that has made a coaching change. he literally got handed the keys to race car. kinda like Fulmer did when he got the TN job. they both took a good product, and have made it better....but neither started off with a beater that had to be rebuilt from the frame up.

He had two 5-7 seasons in a four year span...so not a single season. He was regressing in all areas...could he have turned it around? Sure. But trends could be interpreted as negative. He had been reupped with a lucrative extension so I never bought the vendetta narrative. Simply because the administration tanked his subsequent replacements doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have regressed even further. Can see both sides and it’s a non winner for both.

spot on. agreed.

To play devils advocate on ham...even Kiffin didn’t think he would get the USC job when it came open lol.

you are correct.

 

[Pane di mais]

But F's 2001 beatdown of Michigan (even though we should have been playing for the Natty in Pasadena instead): thing. of. beauty.* But that was peak F. Then the slide set in.

 

[Smyrna ATL Vol]

He had a very good career no doubt. He won a lot of football games.

Bama and UF went out and hired 2 coaches that have won 8 NCs since 2006. Both of those coaches hammered UT in 07' (Saban did it with a 6-6 team that lost to Monroe).

As I said, Fulmer had a really good run. Most of it came up through 2001. That was the last legit contender he had.

The league got a lot better in the mid 2000's and UT wasn't keeping up. The records don't lie.

He had a very good career no doubt. He won a lot of football games.

Bama and UF went out and hired 2 coaches that have won 8 NCs since 2006. Both of those coaches hammered UT in 07' (Saban did it with a 6-6 team that lost to Monroe).

As I said, Fulmer had a really good run. Most of it came up through 2001. That was the last legit contender he had.

The league got a lot better in the mid 2000's and UT wasn't keeping up. The records don't lie.

Fulmer won at least 8 games a year from 2000 - 2007 for seven of those years. I would kill for that right now. He had a contender in 2007 when we played for the SEC title against the eventual NC LSU team which was a close game. Just because Bama hires the GOAT and Urban was hired at UF (top five all time coach) doesn’t mean the game passed Fulmer. It means our rivals made generational hires. In the current crop of crap that is the SEC East except for a couple of teams, I’m pretty sure Fulmer would be one of the better coaches right now. I feel like people forget we have been complete trash and for some reason one of our best coaches couldn’t coach. I think Mac is showing that you can learn from taking a step back and maybe losing a little fire to come back even better for a short run. If we go 2-10, I don’t see how Fulmer wouldn’t get us to at least a bowl game next year. I don’t believe all of this conspiracy nonsense anyway so I don’t think we have to worry about what ifs.

 

[SLICKYINC]

@HoleInTheRoof

 

[UTProf]

Everyone thinks they want this mess but when it comes a handful of players will get more while everyone else including their teammates get even less than they had before and program after program in sport after sport gets cancelled. But hey, some star players that were already getting rich will get more. And what's so dang funny about it all is that none of it will effect the NCAAs income which all comes from the March Madness tournament they sponsor.

 

[JCP201]

Yes, but Kiffin said upfront that is what he was going to do. I think @UTProf is right that that was all on Hammy. If the fan base had known Hammy was hiring someone who thought USC was a better (or at least preferred for whatever personal reasons) job than Tennessee, and that he had honestly said in advance that he would leave in that and only that case, the sofas would have been burning that day! Because Hammy.

You go from a guy who lives and breaths Tennessee football and has players who felt the same, to Kiffin who was all about USC--even as a Tennessee coach, if the players were to be believed.