Recruiting Football Talk VIII

[PlanetVolunteer]

Who would you say was the last star of OG country?

I always go back to Cash. Even the 90s and 2000s stuff was pretty cringe imo. Lynn, Cline, Guthrie, Cash, Willie, Prine was the legit stuff. Jmo.


I've also been thinking this about rock bands. It's hardly a cogent overall genre at this point, bands are nearly non-existent among the top radio hits and it's mostly subgenre niches. So I split off among folks like Foo Fighters, MMJ, King Gizzard, Tame Impala, The Strokes, White Stripes, etc. But the last major "true rock band" is a tough one. Foo sort of takes it based on the last 30 years, as unfulfilling as it is to say. The Killers were the biggest selling band of the 2000s, but don't think they've had the lasting power. I'm sure some might say U2, but it feels too far back (peak). Sadly, Imagine Dragons might win purely based on streaming listens over the last 15 years, but I just can't...nope nope nope.

Willie Nelson? Lol I've never been a big country guy, so not sure.

Rock died sometime in the 2000's when grunge and post grunge fully died.

Then the hipster bands took over, including bands like Tame Impala.

The issue is there is no rock with any aggression whatsoever. There is zero edge to it and it like every other genre has too many bands that have homogenized.

Rap, rock, country etc. All basically just sounds like pop, easy to digest, redundant music. Even metal!

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Who would you say was the last star of OG country?

I always go back to Cash. Even the 90s and 2000s stuff was pretty cringe imo. Lynn, Cline, Guthrie, Cash, Willie, Prine was the legit stuff. Jmo.


I've also been thinking this about rock bands. It's hardly a cogent overall genre at this point, bands are nearly non-existent among the top radio hits and it's mostly subgenre niches. So I split off among folks like Foo Fighters, MMJ, King Gizzard, Tame Impala, The Strokes, White Stripes, etc. But the last major "true rock band" is a tough one. Foo sort of takes it based on the last 30 years, as unfulfilling as it is to say. The Killers were the biggest selling band of the 2000s, but don't think they've had the lasting power. I'm sure some might say U2, but it feels too far back (peak). Sadly, Imagine Dragons might win purely based on streaming listens over the last 15 years, but I just can't...nope nope nope.

Imagine Dragons fills me with the rage of a 1000 burning suns.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

It was 1998, not 1938. Good QBs completed more than 57%. Or 54%. But yeah, he lit up 1-10 South Carolina. Awesome. Statistics matter. They show how many times a QB completed passes and for how many yards. Otherwise, why do they keep them?

If you watched him against Arkansas, you watched him complete less than half his passes, then blow his chance to win the game on what should have been the final drive, going 4 and out and missing wide open WRs twice. He hgot bailed out by the fluke fumble and what did Tennessee do then? They took the ball out of Tee's hands, showing zero confidence in him (why would they? He'd just blown it) and running the ball on every single play.

Yes, he didn't have to be a good passer to win a NC. I agree. That's the point. He wasn't. That defense, offensive line, and running game (along with Peerless Price) were just that good.

Watch this game and tell me that's a good passer for Tennessee:

Anyone arguing Tee was a good passer is a moron.

 

[swchandler1988]

It was 1998, not 1938. Good QBs completed more than 57%. Or 54%. But yeah, he lit up 1-10 South Carolina. Awesome. Statistics matter. They show how many times a QB completed passes and for how many yards. Otherwise, why do they keep them?

If you watched him against Arkansas, you watched him complete less than half his passes, then blow his chance to win the game on what should have been the final drive, going 4 and out and missing wide open WRs twice. He hgot bailed out by the fluke fumble and what did Tennessee do then? They took the ball out of Tee's hands, showing zero confidence in him (why would they? He'd just blown it) and running the ball on every single play.

Yes, he didn't have to be a good passer to win a NC. I agree. That's the point. He wasn't. That defense, offensive line, and running game (along with Peerless Price) were just that good.

Watch this game and tell me that's a good passer for Tennessee:

Yes, we’ll just take 3 hours of our Monday afternoon

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Did we watch the same team? I would argue that he was a 'good passer', but fortunately also had legs. He also had great fortune of having David Cutcliffe and Randy Sanders in their prime.

I would agree about the defense. Guys like Al Wilson and Billy Ratliffe. Ratliff made that guarantee on sideline. One of the coolest experiences ive had was talking to Billy one day at work. Very humble, and loves talking about that play.

I think Tee was average in 98 and pretty good in 99. Just going back and watching YouTube replays.

He was at times very bad in 98, but I also felt that the antiquated play calling made things worse.

 

[Jackcrevol]

I think Tee was average in 98 and pretty good in 99. Just going back and watching YouTube replays.

He was at times very bad in 98, but I also felt that the antiquated play calling made things worse.

I agree to an extent. Esp about play calling. There were times that when he dropped back if it wasnt open, he was looking to run, and when that got swallowed up. It was over.

Having the ability to run on anyone was a luxury.

 

[NighthawkVol]

This was Martin's performance against the 5 ranked teams Tennessee played in the 1998 regular season:

Syracuse: 9/26, 143 yards, 2TDs/0INTs
Florida: 7/20, 64 yards, 1TDs/1INT
Georgia: 16/26, 156 yards, 2TDs/2INTs
Arkansas: 10/27, 155 yards, 1TD/1INT
Miss State: 15/32, 208 yards, 2TDs/1INT

Totals: 57/131 (43.5%), 726 yards (145 per game), 8 TDs/5 INTs.

That's horrible. Not average. Not mediocre. Horrible. Abysmal.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

This was Martin's performance against the 5 ranked teams Tennessee played in the 1998 regular season:

Syracuse: 9/26, 143 yards, 2TDs/0INTs
Florida: 7/20, 64 yards, 1TDs/1INT
Georgia: 16/26, 156 yards, 2TDs/2INTs
Arkansas: 10/27, 155 yards, 1TD/1INT
Miss State: 15/32, 208 yards, 2TDs/1INT

Totals: 57/131 (43.5%), 726 yards (145 per game), 8 TDs/5 INTs.

That's horrible. Not average. Not mediocre. Horrible. Abysmal.

Yeaahh it did seem like he would make up for it with one or two big plays.

And by play calling, I remember watching quite a few "run up the gut twice, throw on third and long" situations.

 

[drvenner]

This was Martin's performance against the 5 ranked teams Tennessee played in the 1998 regular season:

Syracuse: 9/26, 143 yards, 2TDs/0INTs
Florida: 7/20, 64 yards, 1TDs/1INT
Georgia: 16/26, 156 yards, 2TDs/2INTs
Arkansas: 10/27, 155 yards, 1TD/1INT
Miss State: 15/32, 208 yards, 2TDs/1INT

Totals: 57/131 (43.5%), 726 yards (145 per game), 8 TDs/5 INTs.

That's horrible. Not average. Not mediocre. Horrible. Abysmal.

And yet he led us to a national championship.

 

[Weezer]

Sorry my friend.
I had to think of the young ladies…would I want my daughter to date an older yeti? Nope, and it was Father’s Day so I had to stand up for all the girls and their fathers.

Fair. I guess. But Yetis need loving, too.

And I broke up with @Jackcrevol 's mom.

 

[knoxvol52]

Tee Martin was a game manager on the field and was QB of a National Championship team..

 

[highspeed]

This was Martin's performance against the 5 ranked teams Tennessee played in the 1998 regular season:

Syracuse: 9/26, 143 yards, 2TDs/0INTs
Florida: 7/20, 64 yards, 1TDs/1INT
Georgia: 16/26, 156 yards, 2TDs/2INTs
Arkansas: 10/27, 155 yards, 1TD/1INT
Miss State: 15/32, 208 yards, 2TDs/1INT

Totals: 57/131 (43.5%), 726 yards (145 per game), 8 TDs/5 INTs.

That's horrible. Not average. Not mediocre. Horrible. Abysmal.

Dude, you might be right, but why fight so hard to run down the QB that helped lead us to the only national championship we’ve won in decades?

 

[Volunteer821]

Yeaahh it did seem like he would make up for it with one or two big plays.

And by play calling, I remember watching quite a few "run up the gut twice, throw on third and long" situations.

Cutcliffe loved an ISO off tackle too.........earlier in the year you could tell he didn't trust Martin and called alot of what your talking about. I remember a lot of 3rd and medium runs as well. Now toward the end of the season it seemed like they opened up a little bit more and let him take some chances.

Tee's personality and demeanor was a perfect fit for that 98 team and it showed. He did exactly what was needed to win, that team knew our defense had to carry us and it did. You don't have to be a superstar to be a leader, he was and I will always be grateful for him and that team bringing us a national championship.

 

[Jackcrevol]

Cutcliffe loved an ISO off tackle too.........earlier in the year you could tell he didn't trust Martin and called alot of what your talking about. I remember a lot of 3rd and medium runs as well. Now toward the end of the season it seemed like they opened up a little bit more and let him take some chances.

Tee's personality and demeanor was a perfect fit for that 98 team and it showed. He did exactly what was needed to win, that team knew our defense had to carry us and it did. You don't have to be a superstar to be a leader, he was and I will always be grateful for him and that team bringing us a national championship.

I remember both he Al Wilson & Jamal Lewis were in a bench press competition. I think they had to call them off lifting so much.

 

[WesTnVol]

Not the point. His completion pct was “inflated” to 54% by completing 23 straight easy completions against one of the worst teams in SEC history.

He was BELOW 50% completions against Syracuse, Florida, Georgia, and Arkansas.

In the Florida game, he didn’t see a wide open Price in the end zone in OT, which would’ve won the game, but got bailed out by Jeff Hall and the Florida miss.

In the Arkansas game, in his chance to win the game on a final drive, he went 4 and out, missing a wide open Price a couple times over the middle. When the miracle fumble happened, Tennessee knew better than to put the game in his hands again, so they ran it every play.

He made some big plays with his legs and some bombs to Price, but overall, he was pretty awful as a passer that year. He was fortunate to have a defense that was better than we’d seen since at least the 60s.

Fair and Accurate

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

What did you install? Carpet, hardwood, tile? That's a tough job, even once you're used to getting down on the floor.

Had a guy a few years ago sanding a pine floor in a "barndominium". You know how you have to hand sand the edges on the walls in between coats of poly? . . He got in a hurry and was sanding in 3-4' passes. The sandpaper snagged the edge of a splinter and it shot up through the paper into his hand, just below his middle finger, and went all the way through his palm to his wrist. If you know anything about sanding pine, those splinters can be 2-3" wide, maybe wider. His was about 1" wide. What a Pita.

We did all of it, if it was anything to do with a floor we learned about it, got certified and installed it. I hated..HATED installing unfinished wood, it was just such a long difficult process, but we charged so much to put it down that we would be dumb not to if a builder/homeowner was willing to pay it.

 

[tnvols72]

 

[MarcoVol]

College baseball is the best

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

And yet he led us to a national championship.

It’s called our defense, Stoerners Fumble(thanks Billy Ratliff) and 1 pass to Peerless Price

 

[Orangeburst]

I ate at a Michelin restaurant once..Meat was rubbery.

 

[Cosmo Kramer]

I ate at a Michelin restaurant once..Meat was rubbery.

TMI.

 

[jakez4ut]

I hate Arkansas won but a no hitter in an elimination game is freaking awesome.

 

[Enki_Amenra]

I'd argue that Tee was a good passer. . .

 

[jakez4ut]

I'd argue that Tee was a good passer. . .

... In the south Carolina game.

 

[utvolmaniac]

Does anyone realize that Coastal Carolina defeating Oregon State at the CWS is saying that the Cocks beat the Beavers?