Recruiting Expectations - Program Success (08 - 11)

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***In the name of full disclosure I came across this in a thread on Operation Sports in regards to conf realignment for NCAA '13***

All joking aside, this is a pretty sobering list. I know people will point to teams like Boise St and TCU etc and how they are high on this list without being high in recruiting rankings. But I honestly don't know how people can expect us to recruit top 10 nationally when we are behind literally every other SEC team....aside from Vandy of course.

Sorry for the length and the format, but here's an explanation of this list...

The teams are ranked by the number of wins that they have in the past 4 years (08-11). Ohio State's vacated victories don't count. Teams are first ranked by the number of wins they have, and then by the number of losses they have. Then, if they are still tied, ranked by their most recent season until the tiebreaker is broken.

1 Boise St
2 Alabama
3 TCU
4 Oregon
5 Oklahoma
6 Virginia Tech
7 Oklahoma St
8 Utah
9 LSU
10 Florida
11 USC
12 Wisconsin
13 BYU
14 Penn St
15 Texas
16 Nebraska
17 West Virginia
18 Cincinnati
19 Michigan St
20 Stanford
21 Houston
22 Missouri
23 Auburn
24 Iowa
25 Florida St
26 Nevada
27 Northern Illinois
28 Arkansas
29 Tulsa
30 Southern Miss
31 South Carolina
32 Georgia
33 Georgia Tech
34 Texas Tech
35 Pittsburgh
36 Air Force
37 Navy
38 Clemson
39 Temple
40 North Carolina
41 Ohio
42 Rutgers
43 Northwestern
44 Notre Dame
45 California
46 Miami(FL)
47 UConn
48 South Florida
49 East Carolina
50 Hawaii
51 Kansas St
52 NC State
53 UCF
54 Troy
55 Boston College
56 Ohio St
57 Western Michigan
58 Arizona
59 Fresno St
60 Michigan
61 Texas A&M
62 Central Michigan
63 Baylor
64 Toledo
65 Louisiana Tech
66 Mississippi St
67 Oregon St
68 Kentucky
69 Arkansas St
70 Louisiana-Lafayette
71 Ball St
72 Ole Miss
73 SMU
74 San Diego St
75 FIU
76 Louisville
77 Marshall
78 Tennessee
79 Middle Tennessee
80 Wyoming
81 Illinois
82 Wake Forest
83 Arizona St
84 Maryland
85 UCLA
86 Virginia
87 Purdue
88 Syracuse
89 UTEP
90 Bowling Green
91 Rice
92 Iowa St
93 Kent
94 Louisiana-Monroe
95 Washington
96 Minnesota
97 Utah St
98 Army
99 Kansas
100 Buffalo
101 Idaho
102 FAU
103 Vanderbilt
104 Miami(OH)
105 UAB
106 Colorado St
107 Colorado
108 Duke
109 San Jose St
110 UNLV
111 Indiana
112 New Mexico St
113 Western Kentucky
114 Eastern Michigan
115 North Texas
116 Memphis
117 Tulane
118 Akron
119 Washington St
120 New Mexico
121 Texas State
122 UMass
123 UTSA

I have two conclusions that I draw from this,

1. UT is currently (and has been) over performing in recruiting

2. As the wins increase (hopefully) and UT moves up this list, I fully expect things back to normal and top 15/10/5 classes to be the norm with the way Dooley has been able to recruit

Hope someone other than me found this interesting and new thread worthy (more interesting than another Jalen Ramsey thread at least)
 
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List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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I'm glad somone noticed this immediately. Not a good list at all. Notice the #1 is a WAC team? C'mon man. I know they are establishing themselves as a formidable opponent, but seriously...
 
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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Nothing negative here, .......something wrong? :thumbsup:
 
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Data is irrelevant just as national rankings in statistical categories such as total offense and defense. It doesn't take into affect the opponents you are playing.

With that said, DD is overachieving in recruiting based on the WL record. He is selling the Tennessee brand, facilities, VFL, early PT and future glory. You sell what is in your kit and they are doing a pretty fair job. If the wins come this season, there will be a huge new tool we can sell and the more elite prospects who are now just listening will sign up.
 
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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Really! Name all the teams you think make the list garbage and then tell us what number that makes us.
 
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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Good call Fade
 
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1 Boise St, 8 Utah, 13 BYU, 18 Cincinnati, 21 Houston,
26 Nevada, 27 Northern Illinois, 29 Tulsa, 30 Southern Miss,
36 Air Force, 37 Navy, 39 Temple, 42 Rutgers,43 Northwestern,
47 UConn, 49 East Carolina, 50 Hawaii,51 Kansas St, 53 UCF,
54 Troy, 57 Western Michigan, 59 Fresno St, 62 Central Michigan, 63 Baylor,64 Toledo
65 Louisiana Tech, 69 Arkansas St, 70 Louisiana-Lafayette, 71 Ball St, 73 SMU,
74 San Diego St, 75 FIU,76 Louisville and 77 Marshall

Alright now that is 34 teams that I think we can all agree should immediately be romoved from the list. Take all those teams off and you have the Vols setting at
#44. I think it is pretty freakin obvious CDD has recruited pretty damn well. Give credit where its due and when it is due.
 
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It would need to take strength of schedule into effect to be legitimate. Not just wins and losses.
 
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Also name one team that is below us that has recruited better and then look at how many teams that are above us that we have recruited better than. I would put money on it that we would be the number 1 team on the list if you have + points for every team above you that your recruited better and - points for every team below you that out recruited you. Does not matter if you like Dooley or not the one thing you can not knock is the fact that he has recruited well for the circumstances and has definately rebuilt our roster.
 
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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I just remember Dwayne laying on the bed with his bare feet looking like he wore a size 18. Still have the image in my head.
 
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Tallman said:
Rivals has our recruiting class ranked 21, and Vandy 1s 17. We are ranked 9th in the SEC.
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That will change. Not sure how far up the SEC list we can move.....maybe to six, but we will definitly pass Vandy and a couple of others. I say we are at least top 15 (with a good season) nationally by the time it's all said and done.
 
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fade route said:
List is garbage because it doesn't take conferences into accout. For instance, FIU is 2 spots ahead of us....are we to conclude FIU > UT? In the words of Nell Carter - gimme a break.
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first thing that came to my mind....but we have been pretty awful in that regard as well.
 
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UTvol1fn said:
first thing that came to my mind....but we have been pretty awful in that regard as well.
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I get the whole conf argument and SOS too, but break it down further (haven't checked this math but you get the idea)

Since '08 (SEC record)
Alabama: 42-5 (25-4)
Arkansas: 28-16 (12-14)
Auburn: 31-14 (16-12)
Florida: 38-9 (22-7)
Georgia: 28-17 (16-12)
Kentucky: 22-22 (7-19)
LSU: 34-11 (17-10)
Ole Miss: 24-19 (10-16)
Mississippi State: 21-22 (9-18)
South Carolina: 27-18 (14-15)
Tennessee: 21-22 (10-16)
Vanderbilt: 14-28 (6-21)

Not trying to be a negavol either, just trying to bring home the point that for anyone arguing that Dooley's recruiting so far hasn't been acceptable, they really have no leg to stand on. He's doing great considering the state of the program when he took over. How could anyone realistically expect us to finish higher than 5-7th in the SEC rankings?!

No denying that he needs a successful year on the field this fall tho, and I think he gets it finally.
 
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ionaVOL said:
I get the whole conf argument and SOS too, but break it down further (haven't checked this math but you get the idea)

Since '08 (SEC record)
Alabama: 42-5 (25-4)
Arkansas: 28-16 (12-14)
Auburn: 31-14 (16-12)
Florida: 38-9 (22-7)
Georgia: 28-17 (16-12)
Kentucky: 22-22 (7-19)
LSU: 34-11 (17-10)
Ole Miss: 24-19 (10-16)
Mississippi State: 21-22 (9-18)
South Carolina: 27-18 (14-15)
Tennessee: 21-22 (10-16)
Vanderbilt: 14-28 (6-21)

Not trying to be a negavol either, just trying to bring home the point that for anyone arguing that Dooley's recruiting so far hasn't been acceptable, they really have no leg to stand on. He's doing great considering the state of the program when he took over. How could anyone realistically expect us to finish higher than 5-7th in the SEC rankings?!

No denying that he needs a successful year on the field this fall tho, and I think he gets it finally.
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If he didn't get at least Top 15 classes, with spending 1.5 million dollars a year on recruiting, then that would a shame in itself.
 
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