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Take this how you want...

“Rick Barnes says Vols, at this point, plan to fill both open scholarships for the upcoming season. One grad transfer has already committed but not signed.“
 
#7,502
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BruinVol said:
I think the op probably should have said


"Barnes is in the gym more"


If he really wants to throw insults about comprehension of the English language he should do better. The word "more" was much needed if he wanted a leg to stand on
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Yeah. I was saying Barnes has never been in a gym. You’re right Bruin.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Right. It’s not any different than having a boss in any other job. If you have a boss who values punctuality you show up on time. If you have a boss who is a neat freak you don’t let your desk look like a train wreck. You have a boss who prioritizes recruiting you get your tail to some gyms and start showing up at homes and schools too. Bet we don’t get a “he’s earned the right” comment from an assistant anytime soon.

Barnes knows that going out and getting Zack Kent as your only fall signee isn’t good enough. Missing completely in 2018 until May isn’t the path we need to take yearly. He knows that.
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I'm with you up until the criticism of the 2018 class. When you swing for the fence with a stud who has the options Simon's did, you know going in that it's an all or nothing approach. You either hit a homerun or you strikeout. With only one scholarship to give, it's just hard to criticize that approach. Land him, and we are probably a Final Four favorite. Miss on him for any reason, but especially to the NBA, since no other school "beat us" out for him, and we still have a nice team returning and can fill the void with someone else at the last minute.

I'm perfectly fine with that strategy in this specific instance, and 2018 is the outlier, IMO. You don't seem to be fine with it, and that's fine. We just probably won't find common ground there.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm with you up until the criticism of the 2018 class. When you swing for the fence with a stud who has the options Simon's did, you know going in that it's an all or nothing approach. You either hit a homerun or you strikeout. With only one scholarship to give, it's just hard to criticize that approach. Land him, and we are probably a Final Four favorite. Miss on him for any reason, but especially to the NBA, since no other school "beat us" out for him, and we still have a nice team returning and can fill the void with someone else at the last minute.

I'm perfectly fine with that strategy in this specific instance, and 2018 is the outlier, IMO. You don't seem to be fine with it, and that's fine. We just probably won't find common ground there.
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Simons wasn’t the plan from the beginning. We targeted some guys. Not sure we made it far with any except petrusev. We zeroed in on him and missed.

Simons ended up back on the market because of the FBI thing.

I don’t think he ever seriously considered attending UT. And as I said all along we should have been recruiting like we had two spots.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Simons wasn’t the plan from the beginning. We targeted some guys. Not sure we made it far with any except petrusev. We zeroed in on him and missed.

Simons ended up back on the market because of the FBI thing.

I don’t think he ever seriously considered attending UT. And as I said all along we should have been recruiting like we had two spots.
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True, Petrusev definitely our initial target. No shame in losing him to Gonzaga.

Simons decommitted in September. Two months ahead of the fall signing period. We can agree to disagree on his level of true interest, but there is more proof of interest than there is that it was all fake, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Recruiting as if we had two spots is a risky proposition, but one worth considering. Right or wrong, our staff obviously felt differently than you.
 
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cncchris33 said:
True, Petrusev definitely our initial target. No shame in losing him to Gonzaga.

Simons decommitted in September. Two months ahead of the fall signing period. We can agree to disagree on his level of true interest, but there is more proof of interest than there is that it was all fake, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Recruiting as if we had two spots is a risky proposition, but one worth considering. Right or wrong, our staff obviously felt differently than you.
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I’m not saying it was fake interest. I’m saying we were never a real option for that kid. That’s my opinion based on his words and his body language on his visit. Never seen a kid look so disinterested.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Take this how you want...

“Rick Barnes says Vols, at this point, plan to fill both open scholarships for the upcoming season. One grad transfer has already committed but not signed.“
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I was at the Caravan tonight. He said that he expects to fill that spot.

The fans love Barnes. I am thinking he got more applause than Fulmer-- definitely as much as.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
The reason given before now is “the staff is very quiet. Just because they aren’t broadcasting it don’t think they aren’t working.”

It doesn’t matter what happens there’s always an excuse on deck.
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Your routine is getting old...you assert Barnes does not recruit hard enough and often imply he is lazy but when confronted with other, far more probable explanations, you quickly dismiss them as “excuses” because it does not fit your narrative.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Saying Barnes is going to gyms doesn’t mean I’m saying he has never been inside one. GTHO with that ****.

Act like you have some common sense.
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Yet when someone applies common sense to your statements and/or carries them to their logical conclusions (exposing the flawed thinking) you say they are “twisting” it.
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Yet when someone applies common sense to your statements and/or carries them to their logical conclusions (exposing the flawed thinking) you say they are “twisting” it.
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Bruin absolutely was adding his own twist. Nobody said Fulmer was meddling in their recruiting. Fulmer values recruiting and he's the new boss. It's not a stretch to think that our more active spring is partly due to having a boss who won't go along with the "earned the right" mindset.

I said Barnes is in gyms. That doesn't mean I am saying he's never been in a gym. That's the BTO version of what I'm saying.

Countless posters have commented on how we are recruiting differently this spring. We have 2 Rick Barnes true believers who refuse to admit it. One because he's a coach worshipper and the other because he's a contrarian.

4 posts....???? Is this a Bruin alt?
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
Your routine is getting old...you assert Barnes does not recruit hard enough and often imply he is lazy but when confronted with other, far more probable explanations, you quickly dismiss them as “excuses” because it does not fit your narrative.
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Never have I called or implied Rick Barnes is lazy.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I haven't. You guys may have taken it that way. Search the posts. I've never said he was lazy.

He's not lazy. I'll say that right now just so you can read it. Rick Barnes is anything but lazy.
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Ok.

So great. Fulmer doesn't tell him who to recruit and doesn't tell him to work harder.


Precisely my point all along. Glad you realized your post yesterday were foolish
 
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BruinVol said:
Ok.

So great. Fulmer doesn't tell him who to recruit and doesn't tell him to work harder.


Precisely my point all along. Glad you realized your post yesterday were foolish
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No idea what you're getting at here. You live in Bruin world so that's fine.

Twist.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I haven't. You guys may have taken it that way. Search the posts. I've never said he was lazy.

He's not lazy. I'll say that right now just so you can read it. Rick Barnes is anything but lazy.
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So please tell us what you really mean when you make comments like “Barnes is in gyms” as if he was not before? Is he acting entitled and not recruiting as hard as he should in your mind (you have alluded to this consistently because of Lanier’s comments)?

Could it possibly be that he was strategic with where and how he spent his time recruiting (or not) based on what kids and their reps were telling them? If that is possible (and many believe probable) then why would you not give Barnes the benefit of the doubt based on the results thus far and drop the underlying mantra in your posts which imply Barnes was/is not committed to recruiting hard enough (btw I am a long time lurker and have enjoyed your takes on b-ball in the past)?
 
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MinisterofDef#92 said:
So please tell us what you really mean when you make comments like “Barnes is in gyms” as if he was not before? Is he acting entitled and not recruiting as hard as he should in your mind (you have alluded to this consistently because of Lanier’s comments)?

Could it possibly be that he was strategic with where and how he spent his time recruiting (or not) based on what kids and their reps were telling them? If that is possible (and many believe probable) then why would you not give Barnes the benefit of the doubt based on the results thus far and drop the underlying mantra in your posts which imply Barnes was/is not committed to recruiting hard enough (btw I am a long time lurker and have enjoyed your takes on b-ball in the past)?
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I don't think a coach makes those comments without a sense of entitlement amongst the staff. I don't think they recruited hard enough and I think it's caused us to miss at times. Not because they are lazy because they are not lazy. I've never said they were lazy.

They have struggled to close the deal in many cases.

Even if they didn't have a great chance with some kids that doesn't mean you don't recruit just as hard. I don't think we will continue to see the same success as this past year without some better recruiting. (side note: I think we will see recruiting improve) It's not sustainable IMO and we won't have the luxury of implementing a 3 year rebuild where guys are allowed to develop as 2 year starters playing .500 basketball.

The 2019 is of major importance IMO. Especially at the guard position. We need to land some ballers.
 
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