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BurninOrange said:
Name to monitor: CRL just recently started following former Husker signee Xavier Johnson on twitter. Could be nothing but maybe something.
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Named him earlier as a guy I would look at...however if Tennessee is in the kind of shape with these guys as it sounds for 2019 you may pass, idk.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Lol at Cnc calling me a troll. Give me a freakin break.

Would love to see the post where I complain about the team and staff.

What a joke. Chris thinking he needs to follow me around interpreting my posts is hilarious.
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Seriously??? Is this a trick?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
In the future as in 2020?

1 guy is not enough to minimize the importance of the 2019 class.
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1 underclassmen adder this year means 3 open spots on paper for 2019...

2015 had Schofield, Turner and Alexander
2016 had Bone, Bowden, Williams, Fulk
2017 had Pons, Walker, Kent

So if 2019 has 3 or even 4 signees who become rotational pieces how is that class anymore important than 2015 or 2016 were?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
1 underclassmen adder this year means 3 open spots on paper for 2019...

2015 had Schofield, Turner and Alexander
2016 had Bone, Bowden, Williams, Fulk
2017 had Pons, Walker, Kent

So if 2019 has 3 or even 4 signees who become rotational pieces how is that class anymore important than 2015 or 2016 were?
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We have been thru this countless times. Countless.

You refuse to entertain the thought that the number of guys in the class is not what makes it the most important.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
We have been thru this countless times. Countless.

You refuse to entertain the thought that the number of guys in the class is not what makes it the most important.
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I get it, we lose people...but we lose people off a NCAAT team, how is that more important in being good than losing people off an already bad team??
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I get it, we lose people...but we lose people off a NCAAT team, how is that more important in being good than losing people off an already bad team??
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Because I don’t wanna go back into a 3 year rebuild. Do you?

Also we don’t have the luxury of giving the 2019 signees the lions share of the minutes for 2 years of sub .500 ball to develop.
 
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Sad part about all this is we seem to be upping our recruiting efforts like never before in the Barnes era and I’m actually excited about it.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Because I don’t wanna go back into a 3 year rebuild. Do you?

Also we don’t have the luxury of giving the 2019 signees the lions share of the minutes for 2 years of sub .500 ball to develop.
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The reason we differ on this so much is because you see nobody developing into SEC level players on this roster that are currently underclassmen, I do. You are basically going off the assumption that 1-2 guys on this roster will be good and therefore the 2019 class is going to have to have 3-4 guys all getting 25+mpg.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
The reason we differ on this so much is because you see nobody developing into SEC level players on this roster that are currently underclassmen, I do. You are basically going off the assumption that 1-2 guys on this roster will be good and therefore the 2019 class is going to have to have 3-4 guys all getting 25+mpg.
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Wrong. I think Pons and Walker are gonna be hits. They can replace Admiral and Kyle.

I don’t see replacements yet for any guards or Grant.

Making the assumption that Kent, Johnson and Fulk are all gonna develop into what we have now is dangerous IMO. Not to mention we have pretty much no 1 or 2 guard underclassmen right now.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Loving the early returns on 2019 guys, could be a very nice class.
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Seems like we are hitting the trail much harder than in the past.

Personally I think the caliber of player we can land is now better and we are taking a different approach. We aren’t looking for diamonds in the rough or hoping someone comes available in the spring. I think we want 2-3 guys signed in the fall for the 19 class.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Wrong. I think Pons and Walker are gonna be hits. They can replace Admiral and Kyle.

I don’t see replacements yet for any guards or Grant.

Making the assumption that Kent, Johnson and Fulk are all gonna develop into what we have now is dangerous IMO. Not to mention we have pretty much no 1 or 2 guard underclassmen right now.
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Johnson, Pons and Walker...can they combine to give us 78min 35pts & 18rbds? 26mpg 12ppg 6rpg each if broken down, I think that’s definitely doable, not promising it but I don’t think it’s out of the question either at this stage.

Guard is the glaring hole to me right now, that’s my sole concern...but we have Bone and Turner 2 more years, so worst case you sign a couple guards in 2019 to learn behind Bone/Turner/Bowden, then they take over. We quickly forget Bone/Turner/Bowden were all in their 2nd year this season and were good enough at guard to lead us to a Top 5 all time regular season.
 
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I'm not convinced that elite guards are as important in the current climate. It's been said now for a couple of decades that outstanding PGs and SGs are critical for deep runs in the NCAAT. But if a team is loaded with tall guys that can run and handle the ball, then I'm not convinced that the PG especially is as important as it used to be. The under 6 footers have become a liability in switching defenses. Plus, the big, lumbering low-post has become somewhat of a dinosaur. When teams were built around the 6'10" plus, 260 pound and bigger post then a great PG was necessary to complement the big guy.

I'm wondering if Barnes was kind of serious when he said he'd like a roster full of 6'7" guys that could switch on every pick. What's really needed are for most of them to also be able to attack the basket and/or shoot a high percentage from the perimeter.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Seems like we are hitting the trail much harder than in the past.

Personally I think the caliber of player we can land is now better and we are taking a different approach. We aren’t looking for diamonds in the rough or hoping someone comes available in the spring. I think we want 2-3 guys signed in the fall for the 19 class.
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We probably disagree, shocker, but I don’t think they’re hitting the trail any harder...meaning I don’t think Barnes wasn’t doing in-homes before but is now, Barnes wasn’t leaving Knoxville before but is now, we weren’t using all our evaluation days but are now, weren’t attending AAU events but are now...I think all that stuff is the same. I think the difference is that they now had a chance to identify guys young man do build relationships with them, and it happened coming off the heels of a great season, so good combo.

I think when the 2016 & 2017 classes signed they knew 2018 was going to be a small class and they looked ahead...now the negative to that is obviously we don’t have a commit and that has been your point, but in reality if they sign a 4-5 man Top 15-20 class in 2019 and redshirt 1 guy what did that matter?

I wouldn’t be shocked if they signed 4 in the fall, but that’s JMO.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
We probably disagree, shocker, but I don’t think they’re hitting the trail any harder...meaning I don’t think Barnes wasn’t doing in-homes before but is now, Barnes wasn’t leaving Knoxville before but is now, we weren’t using all our evaluation days but are now, weren’t attending AAU events but are now...I think all that stuff is the same. I think the difference is that they now had a chance to identify guys young man do build relationships with them, and it happened coming off the heels of a great season, so good combo.

I think when the 2016 & 2017 classes signed they knew 2018 was going to be a small class and they looked ahead...now the negative to that is obviously we don’t have a commit and that has been your point, but in reality if they sign a 4-5 man Top 15-20 class in 2019 and redshirt 1 guy what did that matter?

I wouldn’t be shocked if they signed 4 in the fall, but that’s JMO.
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1. Never said we weren’t doing those things. My concern was we weren’t doing them enough and weren’t doing them well enough.

2. 2018 I want to see us not reach. Just hang on to them or take grads. No freshman projects.

3. Burns would be a great get in 2018 or 2019. If we bring him in with the intent to shirt him then I view him as a great start on the 2019 class more than a 2018 signee.

4. I would love to see 3-4 guys in the fall.
 
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It’s a long shot, but if we get Isaiah Stewart, I’d be fine with coach never taking another in house visit
 
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cncchris33 said:
I guess now that the excitement of the season has worn off, Chicken Little is back to believing the sky is falling. I suspect that in 8-9 months, when we are rolling again, he'll be back to "trusting Barnes".
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Yea I didn’t expect that, just a month ago he was singing Barnes praises and admitting he was wrong, not sure what caused the 180.
 
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vols 30 said:
He gives valid points imo. There's some things I question too when it comes to recruiting. I just sit back and let him take the heat though😀
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Never said he didn't give valid points, some I even agree with.

What many people seem to have an issue with is his attitude of superiority and the idea that he has somehow cornered the market on having opinions on our basketball program. And then masquerading all of his complaints and trying to dress them up as, "I just want us to recruit a little better".

People like BTO will go on and on and on with him trying to convince him of something he doesn't want to be convinced of. I just got tired of opening every thread and seeing Ziti's same tired argument being facilitated into every angle allowable and finally stopped trying to reason with him because he doesn't want to be convinced. He will find fault in any method/ability/idea/philosophy that this staff implements at this point. He's dug his heels in, and doubled down on the idea that this staff will fail.

And you know what, he may be right. I'll be the first to admit it if and when they do. If they blow this 2019 class, that may be the first big step toward their downfall. And I'll be next in line to say that what they are doing isn't working. I just see no evidence of that yet and I won't arrogantly pretend to know more about their current and future plans than they do.
 
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cncchris33 said:
And you know what, he may be right. I'll be the first to admit it if and when they do. If they blow this 2019 class, that may be the first big step toward their downfall. And I'll be next in line to say that what they are doing isn't working. I just see no evidence of that yet and I won't arrogantly pretend to know more about their current and future plans than they do.
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Very well said, and I agree.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
SMH.

Rick Barnes is not the messiah guys.

You can question things and criticize things without it being against him.

Good grief.
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Absolutely...but Vols30 recently said something to the effect of “well he’s proven me wrong, I’m done doubting or questioning him”...why say that if you don’t mean it is what I’m saying? And it’s not even as if something has happened that I would think would warrant changing your stance one way or the other.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely...but Vols30 recently said something to the effect of “well he’s proven me wrong, I’m done doubting or questioning him”...why say that if you don’t mean it is what I’m saying? And it’s not even as if something has happened that I would think would warrant changing your stance one way or the other.
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He probably shouldn't have said the "I'm done questioning him" but that doesn't mean he's done a 180 on Barnes.
 
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